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Re: Online Antipiracy firm sending copyright notices for downloading Ubuntu ISO

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Post by lgierth »

arximboldi wrote: post #44
max_hammer wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Germany, thier is a whole army of lawyers seeding copyrighted material on torrents to extract money

Yes! I find it so ironic, in a country that prides itself for it's stance for "privacy", that random predatory lawyers can just get from ISP's the personal details behind any IP address on the basis of potential IP infringement. It is really infuriating...

They need to go and get a court order, and with that they request the personal data from the respective ISP. The whole process is pretty steamlined and partly automated though.

Source: have been through many copyright claims and currently have a supreme court lawsuit pending.

Re: Online Antipiracy firm sending copyright notices for downloading Ubuntu ISO

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Post by lgierth »

buran77 wrote: post #54
indymike wrote: post #31

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Allowing lawyers to create their own cases is a dark, dark pattern.

Even worse, they are given free access (no warrant) to ISP information about the individuals they presume to be infringing so they can tie an identity to an IP linked to infringing material. Lawyers win either way, via the fines that they ask for (people are scared that this could escalate and just pay), or the fees to fight the fines (usually a letter highlighting the situation that personal information was obtained…

They do need a court order, see my other comment

Re: Online Antipiracy firm sending copyright notices for downloading Ubuntu ISO

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Post by aurizon »

_trampeltier wrote: post #36
aurizon wrote: post #22

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Shoot in foot, nail to the floor, repeat on other foot. It is quite possible that a free lance copyright drone did this. The company would hardly do it to themselves = kill all sales as per example.

I think about to write a mail to the company, because I would like to buy a product again and I also wonder about what they say about the story.

Yes, it would be interesting. This copyright trolling based on false rights has become a growth industry. Almost all you tube creators have stories to tell about fake trolling DMCA demands. Every new you tube creator is assured of being trolled and unless they are able to get them to back down, the trolls grab the monetization revenue portion youtube grants. I had this happen to me. I made an original cat video and put it up, it was challenged by a troll, and I was unable to reach a human to redress matters, so I just removed it. I later found that someone had copied it and was monetising it for themselves. Since it was just a cute thing I did a few years ago and not my living income I too the fuckit POV and never bothered again.

Re: Online Antipiracy firm sending copyright notices for downloading Ubuntu ISO

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Post by lgierth »

buran77 wrote: post #58
ComodoHacker wrote: post #46

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How is it legal? Do they get permissions from copyright owners?

Yes, they represent large content owner conglomerates and have the permission to go after pirates. The shady part is where they can just go to the ISP and request the personal customer information associated to an IP they believe is transferring the infringing content. In Germany the law allows lawyers to ask and get this info from the ISP purely based on suspicion. This is the dirty secret related to how Germany enf…

They do need a court order, see my other comment

Re: Online Antipiracy firm sending copyright notices for downloading Ubuntu ISO

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Post by amelius »

fsflover wrote: post #53
amelius wrote: post #34

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Why is it that as citizens we are powerless against such clearly broken laws as DMCA? Can't we do something about the situation, declare it unconstitutional or something?

You can support EFF, who fights against such cases in court.

It seems to me that they shouldn't be fighting individual cases, but rather the entire principle behind DMCA.

DMCA limits my right to free speech. That could be still justifiable in case of copyright violations, but at least invalid cases of copyright notices should be punishable. Also, companies like Google/YouTube play a dubious role. No takedowns should happen unless the defendant agrees, because again, that limits free speech.

Re: Online Antipiracy firm sending copyright notices for downloading Ubuntu ISO

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Post by amelius »

wyldfire wrote: post #48
amelius wrote: post #42

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Isn't it against the principle of innocent unless proven guilty? Also this law circumvents the court of law, which sounds like it could be in violation of some more foundational laws such as the constitution. Finally the law puts control over free speech in the hands of corporations.

That principle of jurisprudence is for criminal matters. The DMCA issues at hand are for civil issues: providing relief to a copyright holder against a potential infringer. The DMCA shields a provider like ISPs/Dropbox/Google/etc and compels them to take down content that a copyright holder claims is infringing (or provide counter-notice). I'd suggest an improvement to the DMCA would be to hold copyright holders resp…

Thanks for clearing that up.

> I'd suggest an improvement to the DMCA would be to hold copyright holders responsible for claims determined to be made in bad faith, or even just an "excessive" number of false claims.

Yes, that would be a good idea. But it still leaves a bad taste, as it makes one wonder why we had to deal with the DMCA in its current form in the first place. Perhaps there should be a constitutional law which says that when it comes to things like entertainment and culture, then the benefit of the doubt should go to the people, not corporations. Imho, the US is taking the value of entertainment way too seriously.

Re: Online Antipiracy firm sending copyright notices for downloading Ubuntu ISO

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Post by fsflover »

amelius wrote: post #65
fsflover wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can support EFF, who fights against such cases in court.

It seems to me that they shouldn't be fighting individual cases, but rather the entire principle behind DMCA. DMCA limits my right to free speech. That could be still justifiable in case of copyright violations, but at least invalid cases of copyright notices should be punishable. Also, companies like Google/YouTube play a dubious role. No takedowns should happen unless the defendant agrees, because again, that limit…

AFAIK they do fight against the entire principle, too: https://www.eff.org/issues/dmca.

Re: Online Antipiracy firm sending copyright notices for downloading Ubuntu ISO

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Post by finalis »

Mindwipe wrote: post #45
NmAmDa wrote: post #14

Is there a chance that someone take them to the court for this false claim?

No, you have to demonstrate that it is actually in bad faith rather than just a cock up, and that's not going to happen (especially given it very likely is just a cock up).

https://www.opsecsecurity.com/opsec-online/antipiracy-digita...

From their own website:

"Accurate Multi-Level Verification Use swift and accurate multi-level cyber verification techniques to confirm copyright infringement"

It sure doesn't sound to me like a company that would like it on record that they aren't as good as they think they are. Have them publicly admit the cock up.

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