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Re: One week of Libera Chat

#41

Post by tokai »

supermatt wrote: post #28
wut42 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Libera.Chat is likely owned by the Swedish Non profit. The Icelandic entity you see in the whois is the privacy protection of "with held for privacy"[0], a privacy DNS entity. The Swedish non-profit is still in bureaucracy approval from what I've heard from their staff, but you can already look at their bylaws[1]. [0]: https://withheldforprivacy.com [1]: https://libera.chat/bylaws

That is simply an assumption. It is not clear who the owner is exactly because of this "privacy protection". Why does a nonprofit organisation need this privacy protection? The org is the identity that should control it, and the information of the org is a matter of public knowledge (if it REALLY exists, which isnt clear either.) These issues are critical for the trust that the libera.chat domain isn't suddenly going…

>It is not clear who the owner is

The owner are the members of the organization. Look up what an Ideell Förening is.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

#42

Post by ajacksified »

PicassoCTs wrote: post #40
CornCobs wrote: post #10

The identical experience of libera chat makes me realize how useful open protocols are, and how much harder it would be to do something like this with some platform like discord

It would be enough for each node, to know the whole contact graph, and have that stored in a open format? Like a xml adressbook, that could be parsed by any software and could be created even with limited apis as provided by discord etc.

Good usecase for Solid (https://solidproject.org/).

Re: One week of Libera Chat

#43

Post by supermatt »

tokai wrote: post #41
supermatt wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is simply an assumption. It is not clear who the owner is exactly because of this "privacy protection". Why does a nonprofit organisation need this privacy protection? The org is the identity that should control it, and the information of the org is a matter of public knowledge (if it REALLY exists, which isnt clear either.) These issues are critical for the trust that the libera.chat domain isn't suddenly going…

>It is not clear who the owner is The owner are the members of the organization. Look up what an Ideell Förening is.

Can you prove that this Ideell Förening exists? Can you prove that libera.chat domain name is registered on behalf of that org? These are things that should be provable!

Anyone can say: "I am the chairperson of an Ideell Förening called Libera Chat, and it holds every privacy protected domain on the planet (apart from the ones you know of that belong to others).". Prove me wrong.

Show the official registration information for that organization. Show the official registrant of the domain. Thats all Im asking for.

Honestly...

As I mentioned, if they hold a bank account (which clearly they should, to pay for the domain if nothing else, to reinforce "ownership" of the domain), then they need - BY LAW - a company registration number.

EDIT: So many downvotes for asking for proof that this non-profit exists and "owns" the domain. What a silly thing to ask... I'll be putting off migrating until its clear its not another bait and switch.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

#44

Post by Filligree »

spindle wrote: post #23
phoe-krk wrote: post #6

The noteworthy (IMO, obviously) communities/projects that I have seen jump ship (either voluntarily or by force) are wikimedia & wikimedia, ubuntu, gentoo, centos, kde, postgres, sourcehut, wesnoth, mutt, vim, emacs, lisp, scheme, clojure, haskell. Any other ones that I haven't seen yet?

NixOS

Moved to Matrix, but there are active IRC channels on Libera as well.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

#45

Post by matsemann »

supermatt wrote: post #43
tokai wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It is not clear who the owner is The owner are the members of the organization. Look up what an Ideell Förening is.

Can you prove that this Ideell Förening exists? Can you prove that libera.chat domain name is registered on behalf of that org? These are things that should be provable! Anyone can say: "I am the chairperson of an Ideell Förening called Libera Chat, and it holds every privacy protected domain on the planet (apart from the ones you know of that belong to others).". Prove me wrong. Show the official registration inform…

Prove it by writing supermatt in a html comment on libera.chat, or editing a dns entry...?

Re: One week of Libera Chat

#46

Post by ta8645 »

How is Libera meant to be pronounced? L-eye-beer-ah, or maybe "liberal" without the trailing ell? Freenode was such a great name, this one is hard to warm up to in the same way.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

#47

Post by [deleted] »

matsemann wrote: post #45
supermatt wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you prove that this Ideell Förening exists? Can you prove that libera.chat domain name is registered on behalf of that org? These are things that should be provable! Anyone can say: "I am the chairperson of an Ideell Förening called Libera Chat, and it holds every privacy protected domain on the planet (apart from the ones you know of that belong to others).". Prove me wrong. Show the official registration inform…

Prove it by writing supermatt in a html comment on libera.chat, or editing a dns entry...?

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Re: One week of Libera Chat

#48

Post by mPReDiToR »

matsemann wrote: post #45
supermatt wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you prove that this Ideell Förening exists? Can you prove that libera.chat domain name is registered on behalf of that org? These are things that should be provable! Anyone can say: "I am the chairperson of an Ideell Förening called Libera Chat, and it holds every privacy protected domain on the planet (apart from the ones you know of that belong to others).". Prove me wrong. Show the official registration inform…

Prove it by writing supermatt in a html comment on libera.chat, or editing a dns entry...?

Is this not what Keybase and the like are for?

Re: One week of Libera Chat

#49

Post by hobofan »

ajacksified wrote: post #42
PicassoCTs wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be enough for each node, to know the whole contact graph, and have that stored in a open format? Like a xml adressbook, that could be parsed by any software and could be created even with limited apis as provided by discord etc.

Good usecase for Solid ( https://solidproject.org/ ).

It's also a good use case for a good old .vcard, which already has semantics for plenty of contact fields, so I wouldn't be surprised if there are some for IRC.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

#50

Post by Kliment »

phoe-krk wrote: post #6

The noteworthy (IMO, obviously) communities/projects that I have seen jump ship (either voluntarily or by force) are wikimedia & wikimedia, ubuntu, gentoo, centos, kde, postgres, sourcehut, wesnoth, mutt, vim, emacs, lisp, scheme, clojure, haskell. Any other ones that I haven't seen yet?

kicad, implicitcad, reprap, scopehal
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