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One week of Libera Chat

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Re: One week of Libera Chat

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The noteworthy (IMO, obviously) communities/projects that I have seen jump ship (either voluntarily or by force) are wikimedia & wikimedia, ubuntu, gentoo, centos, kde, postgres, sourcehut, wesnoth, mutt, vim, emacs, lisp, scheme, clojure, haskell. Any other ones that I haven't seen yet?

ecl moved.

Both #ecl and #clim moved, yes.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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So who is this .. person who keeps spamming the shit out of everybody on freenode IRC* claiming that libera chat is a new network for pedofiles?

I'm guessing a random person invested in freenode over the years rather than staff or anyone involved.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Libera.Chat is likely owned by the Swedish Non profit. The Icelandic entity you see in the whois is the privacy protection of "with held for privacy"[0], a privacy DNS entity. The Swedish non-profit is still in bureaucracy approval from what I've heard from their staff, but you can already look at their bylaws[1]. [0]: https://withheldforprivacy.com [1]: https://libera.chat/bylaws

That is simply an assumption. It is not clear who the owner is exactly because of this "privacy protection". Why does a nonprofit organisation need this privacy protection? The org is the identity that should control it, and the information of the org is a matter of public knowledge (if it REALLY exists, which isnt clear either.) These issues are critical for the trust that the libera.chat domain isn't suddenly going…

The non-profit isn't really live yet, this may be why. I'm sure the libera.chat staff wants do to things correctly this time-- they have learned the mistakes.

As said, the entity isn't formally created yet because bureaucracy seems to be slow. This will happen, I'm 99% sure of this.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Libera.Chat is likely owned by the Swedish Non profit. The Icelandic entity you see in the whois is the privacy protection of "with held for privacy"[0], a privacy DNS entity. The Swedish non-profit is still in bureaucracy approval from what I've heard from their staff, but you can already look at their bylaws[1]. [0]: https://withheldforprivacy.com [1]: https://libera.chat/bylaws

Adding some info on the freenode situation -- it did not really came from the DNS issue. DNS was always more or less owned by freenode limited, just that rasengan got locked out by a previous mistake and then took this as an offense while it was just a mistake. Surely tomaw did some retention on giving the access back after, but for other reasons (mainly signs of interference from rasengan).

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Re: One week of Libera Chat

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So did #clasp - forcibly.

Forcibly how?

freenode staff took over en masse all channels who mentioned "libera" in their topic. It's been discussed all over HN:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27286628

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27285774

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27285802

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27287283

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27287750 (gentoo)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27287807 (raku)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27288673 (elixir)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27288771 (alegro)

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is simply an assumption. It is not clear who the owner is exactly because of this "privacy protection". Why does a nonprofit organisation need this privacy protection? The org is the identity that should control it, and the information of the org is a matter of public knowledge (if it REALLY exists, which isnt clear either.) These issues are critical for the trust that the libera.chat domain isn't suddenly going…

The non-profit isn't really live yet, this may be why. I'm sure the libera.chat staff wants do to things correctly this time-- they have learned the mistakes. As said, the entity isn't formally created yet because bureaucracy seems to be slow. This will happen, I'm 99% sure of this.

That should be made clear to all those migrating. As it is it says it IS a NPO: "Libera Chat is a Swedish nonprofit organisation" - but doesnt provide any evidence to that effect.

I guess this is why some of the larger (and more knowledgeable?) projects have moved to OFTC instead.

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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The noteworthy (IMO, obviously) communities/projects that I have seen jump ship (either voluntarily or by force) are wikimedia & wikimedia, ubuntu, gentoo, centos, kde, postgres, sourcehut, wesnoth, mutt, vim, emacs, lisp, scheme, clojure, haskell. Any other ones that I haven't seen yet?

openscad, spritely, elixir

Re: One week of Libera Chat

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The identical experience of libera chat makes me realize how useful open protocols are, and how much harder it would be to do something like this with some platform like discord

It would be enough for each node, to know the whole contact graph, and have that stored in a open format?

Like a xml adressbook, that could be parsed by any software and could be created even with limited apis as provided by discord etc.

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