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An Asian Uber Driver Was Attacked by a Mob. Then YouTube Took Down His Video

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Re: An Asian Uber Driver Was Attacked by a Mob. Then YouTube Took Down His Video

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Post by [deleted] »

nemothekid wrote: post #109
haram_masala wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One proximal but surely insufficient explanation is that assaulting Asian people has become a trope in hip-hop over the past couple of years (e.g. “ling-ling boppin’”).

> assaulting Asian people has become a trope in hip-hop over the past couple of years (e.g. “ling-ling boppin’”). It's hard for me not to believe you just made this up. "ling-ling boppin" doesn't return any Google results. Secondly, a trend in hip-hop would be a trend in American pop culture . Hip hop, is currently the biggest music genre in America - if what you say is true I can't imagine how I would have missed it…

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Post by simondotau »

haram_masala wrote: post #69
nemothekid wrote: post #56

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That seems like a useless corollary, nor does it answer my question. I can't tell if you are intentionally trying to erase the motivations and replace them with skin color. There is an ideological difference between a white teenager shooting up a black church and a black teenager shooting a gang. Only in one did race play a motivation in the shooting. Coming back to my point, the GP is claiming there is an ideologica…

Just to explore this: what exactly is your objection to the often-cited observation that black people, who are 13% of the population, commit 52% of the violent crimes? I don’t even know if that’s accurate - if not, then surely that’s the biggest problem with it. But if it’s true, then why is it a dog whistle? I’m not challenging you here, I’m trying to understand why it’s wrong to state it in this kind of context.

Why is it wrong? Well for one thing, it skates too close to implying direct causation between skin colour and a propensity to engage in violence, when there's a far more obvious line of indirect causation: skin colour –> poverty –> propensity to engage in violence.

The link between skin colour and poverty is undeniable—it's right there in the aftermath of slavery and Government-sanctioned racism in the decades hence. The link between poverty and a propensity to engage in violence is also clear.

So if poverty is the critical link, if poverty is the underlying cause, why would it ever be useful to talk about levels of violent crime associated with a tangential correlate?

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Post by freebuju »

> (Full disclosure, I pitched into Kang’s GoFundMe before deciding to write this story.)

Don't know why this poster thinks it is okay to casually add this piece of information to the story.

That said. Youtube doesn't owe Kang or anyone any explanations for taking down videos on their platform. You aren't paying them to host and backup your files. They are a business first, any content that could potentially drive away advertisers has no home there.

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Post by haram_masala »

nemothekid wrote: post #109
haram_masala wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One proximal but surely insufficient explanation is that assaulting Asian people has become a trope in hip-hop over the past couple of years (e.g. “ling-ling boppin’”).

> assaulting Asian people has become a trope in hip-hop over the past couple of years (e.g. “ling-ling boppin’”). It's hard for me not to believe you just made this up. "ling-ling boppin" doesn't return any Google results. Secondly, a trend in hip-hop would be a trend in American pop culture . Hip hop, is currently the biggest music genre in America - if what you say is true I can't imagine how I would have missed it…

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ling+ling+boppin&t=fpas&ia=web

… returns plenty of results. And hip-hop is a subculture of pop culture that is dominated by and mostly caters to young black people.

Let’s assume the best of each other here on HN and not accuse people of making things up.

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Post by arionhardison »

>assaulting Asian people has become a trope in hip-hop over the past couple of years (e.g. “ling-ling boppin’”).

>It's hard for me not to believe you just made this up. "ling-ling boppin" doesn't return any Google results.

1 video, with 1100 views is in no way indicative of a "hip hop trope".

I used to love HN, now I can see that there are a large number of intellectual cowards here. On a site full of engineers that understand statistics, a video with 1100 views being seen as a trope within the context of hip hop is patently absurd.

I literally cannot find a single wu-tang video with less than millions of views, but one no-name rapper with 1100 views is a "trope". Yet that comment will receive 0 downvotes because it's a victim narrative that HN wants to believe. That is dangerous and intellectually disingenuous. I was ashamed of the "Michael Brown - Hands Up Don't Shoot" narrative because it was simply untrue, but it was a narrative adopted by the AA community because it supposed a popular and often valid position. I always expected better on HN, it truly saddens me to see this here.

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Post by sebmellen »

mlazos wrote: post #91
sebmellen wrote: post #59

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That's an interesting way of thinking of it. I suppose this reveals an inherent problem with using statistics to represent crime — their significance is easily distorted, even if the numbers themselves are accurate. But to throw a hypothetical at you: is it right for an Asian person in San Francisco to be more scared when they see someone of "X" race than when they see someone of "Y" race? Even if most of the people…

That’s the thing though, the percentage of a random person of any demographic attacking you is like <<< 0.1% (or something), maybe comparable to your chance of dying in a car crash. Yet people cling to stereotypes and don’t wear seatbelts. If people are afraid of a person of certain race approaching them they should be afraid of many other improbable scenarios.

But all risk perception is context dependent, isn't it? If you're in a bad neighborhood, your threat awareness should be a lot higher than in an air conditioned, well-guarded office building, for example. I don't think it's entirely unreasonable that demographics may play a part in that threat awareness/perception of risk. That's not to say we shouldn't try to dispense with prejudice where possible.

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Post by arvindamirtaa »

halsom wrote: post #80
rkk3 wrote: post #58

“What I find most ridiculous is that the ‘take’ for Uber is often over 50% of the fare, especially with the $3.10 "safe ride fee" but their deductible for incidents like this is $2500,” he told me over e-mail. “My own insurance disclaimed the event because of Uber. So I get the entire bill.” Sounds like they are charging tens of thousands of dollars a year in booking fees for each FT driver, how is the coverage that…

If they don’t like it they can just get another job.

You know how you didn't agree with the above comment and instead of just finding another comment you agreed with, you commented here to show your displeasure?

You see where I'm going with this?

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Post by JPKab »

tartoran wrote: post #63
alephnan wrote: post #27

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No, but Asian people have been on the receiving end of hate crimes more recently

Absolutely, especially post Covid I've seen several senseless random attacks on Asians regardless of nationality or origins. I hope it's just a passing thing which was fueled by Trump. I feel for them. I feel for all folks whose mere look renders them targets for hate crimes. I really thought we put that behind but recently, during the past 5 years I realized how wrong I was.

Can you please point to some of the recent attacks that you think were perpetrated by Trump supporters?

I wasn't aware he had a large base in Oakland.

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Post by gruez »

threevox wrote: post #42
ronsor wrote: post #18

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I've never seen anyone get banned for any sort of political debate on this site. This is not reddit; you won't get banned for "incorrect opinions."

This aged poorly. Ironically, I've never seen anyone get banned on reddit for incorrect opinions

Didn't they ban a bunch of people for voting the wrong way? This is on top of mods having free reign to ban people for whatever arbitrary reason they want.

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Post by nemothekid »

haram_masala wrote: post #114
nemothekid wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> assaulting Asian people has become a trope in hip-hop over the past couple of years (e.g. “ling-ling boppin’”). It's hard for me not to believe you just made this up. "ling-ling boppin" doesn't return any Google results. Secondly, a trend in hip-hop would be a trend in American pop culture . Hip hop, is currently the biggest music genre in America - if what you say is true I can't imagine how I would have missed it…

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ling+ling+boppin&t=fpas&ia=web … returns plenty of results. And hip-hop is a subculture of pop culture that is dominated by and mostly caters to young black people. Let’s assume the best of each other here on HN and not accuse people of making things up.

>And hip-hop is a subculture of pop culture that is dominated by and mostly caters to young black people.

It's not, and thats why I am pressing this point. Billboards top 5 artists of last year were all hip hop[1]. Saying hip hop only caters to black people is like saying Soccer caters to the british. There is no way such a tiny demographic could drive international recognition for the medium.

Next the results you provided don't show any sort of trend. The only relevant results link to the same subreddit which calls out a single racist rapper who made a racist tweet in 2013. The rapper Drakeo is hardly relevant (he has less than 100k followers on Twitter). I don't know how a barely known rapper tweeting out a racist remark, since 2013, constitutes a trend in the largest music genre in America right now.

I'm pushing back because I want to know how these narratives are being created. I don't think it was your intention to inflate the nature of the trend, but I'm wondering why these memes are starting to grow all the sudden.

[1] https://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2020/top-artists

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