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Re: Vietnam War images from the North Vietnamese side

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Post by tjpnz »

alephnan wrote: post #27
tjpnz wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Yet the largest city frequently floods with a foot of water during monsoon season. Same thing can be said about parts of Tokyo during the typhoon season.

That's funny because I actually live in Tokyo. My family also owned a property next to a guy in Vietnam who owned a collection of 30 Ferraris. To suggest Tokyo's flooding problem is anywhere close to Saigon is disingenuous.

I'm guessing you don't live near the Tamagawa River then. Granted this was 18 months ago but I remember there were evacuations and road closures in Setagaya. Things were a bit more dire on the Kanagawa side.

I recall something similar happening the year before too.

Re: Vietnam War images from the North Vietnamese side

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Post by fallingfrog »

Looking at those pictures, I would not have predicted them as the winning side. The picture of the field operating theater in the middle of a swamp is particularly moving. They must have felt they were fighting against unbelievable odds: the most powerful military in the world, with all the bombers, the agent orange, the napalm, the best equipment.. it must have taken a lot of courage to keep up the fight against that. Especially as they watched all their compatriots dying like flies.

Re: Vietnam War images from the North Vietnamese side

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Post by pmoriarty »

temp8964 wrote: post #40
pirate787 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China, which intervened in the Korean War at the moment of North Korea's complete military collapse, has not been held to account for the horrific North Korean regime it saved and still protects. China doesn't want a unified Korea and the North Korean people pay the price.

China fought in the Vietnam war too, just not as directly as the U.S. Without the U.S. supporting the south, the north will easily win with the full resource support from China. People who don't understand the historical context like to say the U.S. did not need to involve in the Vietnam civil war. This is simply wrong. If the U.S. did no get involved, the Chinese Communist government will support communists throw ov…

"If the U.S. did no get involved, the Chinese Communist government will support communists throw over government one after another, millions and millions more people will die in civil wars and communist cleansing."

This sounds like the Domino Theory:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_theory

Re: Vietnam War images from the North Vietnamese side

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Post by bigbillheck »

hourislate wrote: post #20
kureikain wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are confused two thing though. First, it's a country and their people want to remain independent from the US. I don't see anything wrong with it. Their people, born in that country, fight that war, and they win. Second, after the war, the winning party didn't do a great job to improve the country and condition. That's another discussion.

>First, it's a country and their people want to remain independent from the US. My understanding of the war was the USA wasn't there to make Vietnam the 51st State. They were there fighting a proxy war against the Russians and Chinese and to protect the south of the country that wanted nothing to do with the communists.

> the south of the country that wanted nothing to do with the communists

How could the Viet Cong have been as successful as they were if they didn't have substantial support in the south?

There was supposed to have been a referendum on re-unification in 1956, but it was cancelled by South Vietnam's Ngo Dinh Diem.

Re: Vietnam War images from the North Vietnamese side

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Post by not2b »

tibbydudeza wrote: post #6

I wonder how the misadventures of the US in Iraq and Afghanistan would have played out had we had this sort of media coverage - CNN and others was just an extension of the Pentagon.

CNN was founded in 1980. The US withdrew from Vietnam in 1973 and Saigon fell in 1975. US media coverage of Vietnam near the end of the war was much fairer than cable news coverage of the Iraq wars, though it was still US-centric it did start to show the atrocities. During the Vietnam war US media were much freer to go out on their own (at great personal risk); the Gulf War model was for the Pentagon to manage coverage by having the press "embed" with military units so they would think like the US soldiers they were with.

Re: Vietnam War images from the North Vietnamese side

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Post by alephnan »

tjpnz wrote: post #41
alephnan wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's funny because I actually live in Tokyo. My family also owned a property next to a guy in Vietnam who owned a collection of 30 Ferraris. To suggest Tokyo's flooding problem is anywhere close to Saigon is disingenuous.

I'm guessing you don't live near the Tamagawa River then. Granted this was 18 months ago but I remember there were evacuations and road closures in Setagaya. Things were a bit more dire on the Kanagawa side. I recall something similar happening the year before too.

As seen in the movie Parasite depicting the stark contrast between rich and poor South Koreans, there is a scene where the entire neighborhood is flooded

My point being, you can cherry pick and see every city gets flooded. The difference with Saigon is flooding occurs throughout the city in critical areas. Government funds and projects exists to address these issues but the whole amount never gets allocated to properly developing the sewage infrastructure. Instead, hotfixes such as building the roads higher. This is a never ending back and forth with civilians building barriers or building their house higher so the water floods back into the streets. That's just one example of lack of infrastructure

Re: Vietnam War images from the North Vietnamese side

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Post by rudolfwinestock »

temp8964 wrote: post #40
pirate787 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China, which intervened in the Korean War at the moment of North Korea's complete military collapse, has not been held to account for the horrific North Korean regime it saved and still protects. China doesn't want a unified Korea and the North Korean people pay the price.

China fought in the Vietnam war too, just not as directly as the U.S. Without the U.S. supporting the south, the north will easily win with the full resource support from China. People who don't understand the historical context like to say the U.S. did not need to involve in the Vietnam civil war. This is simply wrong. If the U.S. did no get involved, the Chinese Communist government will support communists throw ov…

To add to the above, as much as some people want to mock America's involvement in Vietnam, one must note that The Domino Theory (used to justify that involvement) came true.

Granted, the worst case scenario did not happen (Australia was spared communist takeover), but what actually happened was horrific, nonetheless. Laos and Cambodia fell to communism, in part thanks to communist forces from Vietnam.

And anyone who pulls the line of "independence from foreign domination" should have a talk with the grey hairs in your local Vietnamese neighborhood, here, in the States. They'll let you know how much people in South Vietnam wanted nothing to do with the tyrannical regime in the North.

Furthermore, one cannot disparage South Vietnam as a puppet regime without also disparaging South Korea, Taiwan, or West Germany for that matter.

Re: Vietnam War images from the North Vietnamese side

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Post by platinumrad »

yongjik wrote: post #13
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #4

These are some great photos! But I really do wonder if "the winning side" was _actually_ the winning side. It seems to me that nobody won, and it's very likely that the Vietnamese people ultimately lost bigtime. USA fought a similar war a decade earlier in Korea and now South Korea is one of the preeminent countries in the entire world. Imagine what could have been for South Vietnam? Instead the entire country has be…

Well, during and after the Korean War, South Korea was under a corrupt dictator who killed several hundred thousand civilians for being communist. Its economy didn't improve until 60s, and it couldn't be really called a democratic country until mid-90s. So it's a bit of a stretch to claim that South Korea became today's South Korea because it survived the war in 1953. One could equally say that Vietnam's economic dev…

How is this being downvoted? This site is incredible.

Re: Vietnam War images from the North Vietnamese side

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Post by pessimizer »

rudolfwinestock wrote: post #12

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> As you look at those photos and read the captions, keep in mind that the people who migrated from North Vietnam to South Vietnam outnumbered those in the opposite direction by at least a factor of two while that war lasted.

You might also keep in mind the millions killed in the bombing of the north. Might make me want to go south, too.

Re: Vietnam War images from the North Vietnamese side

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Post by temp8964 »

pmoriarty wrote: post #43
temp8964 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China fought in the Vietnam war too, just not as directly as the U.S. Without the U.S. supporting the south, the north will easily win with the full resource support from China. People who don't understand the historical context like to say the U.S. did not need to involve in the Vietnam civil war. This is simply wrong. If the U.S. did no get involved, the Chinese Communist government will support communists throw ov…

"If the U.S. did no get involved, the Chinese Communist government will support communists throw over government one after another, millions and millions more people will die in civil wars and communist cleansing." This sounds like the Domino Theory : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_theory

Chinese Communist government got involved in the communist evolutions in all the neighbor countries. And international communists did help each other in different countries to over throw legitimate government. Takeover the whole world was the goal of the international communists. Those are all facts, not a theory.
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