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Charlie Bit My Finger video to be taken off YouTube after selling for £500k

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Re: Charlie Bit My Finger video to be taken off YouTube after selling for £500k

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post #54

My main basic questions remain after reading about these NFT sales. Why can't someone just buy all rights to this video the same way a company can buy the rights to a film? What does the blockchain do that a couple lawyers and some paperwork couldn't? Why a blockchain-based digital "certificate" instead of just a certificate? Does my birth certificate or marriage certificate or college diploma need an upgrade to an N…

An NFT is essentially a trading card for the thing that it's attached to. Just like you don't "own" Babe Ruth in any meaningful sense by owning a Babe Ruth trading card, you don't "own" the artwork associated with an NFT by owning the NFT itself. The exception is if there's some arrangement external to the NFT that links ownership of the NFT to ownership of the thing.

And the horrifying thing is that they are selling NFTs for NBA trading cards (GIFs). So people now own a trading card of a trading card of a real person dunking :(

Re: Charlie Bit My Finger video to be taken off YouTube after selling for £500k

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What would happen if I put up a NFT for sale of something I had no part in making?

This is already happening[1] to smaller creators, and people still buy them because NFTs don't offer any guarantees of authenticity beyond what you'd see on eBay.

[1] https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/20/22334527/nft-scams-artist...

Re: Charlie Bit My Finger video to be taken off YouTube after selling for £500k

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not the equivalent situation. It's more like I decide to sell an NFT to your comment.

It totally disagree. I think it is quite equivalent. The difference is that we don't have a centralized authority to recognize valid NFTs, as we do for deeds. But if we did have a central authority, like perhaps the artist responsible for the work protected by the NFT, and if the artist made it clear and public that only the NFTs she recognizes could be considered valid proof of ownership of her works, then indeed an…

A common misunderstanding of NFTs is that they give you some level of legal rights. NFTs do not inherently give you rights. That's why a comparison with a deed is fundamentally flawed. A deed is a legal construct - inherently it gives you ownership. So even if it were sold, without the institutions notarizing the transaction it would not be a valid sale and could be easily reversed by the original owner.

I could sell an NFT to your comment trivially because it doesn't mean anything. You can think of it as the digital equivalent of me taking a screenshot of your comment and selling that - sure it doesn't give the purchaser rights to your comment, but that isn't what was for sale anyway.

Re: Charlie Bit My Finger video to be taken off YouTube after selling for £500k

#104
post #47

NFTs may be a way for open source developers to make some money off of their work. Linus Torvalds could make a few hundred millions by selling an NFT for Linux, considering a JPG file sold for $69 million [1]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/11/arts/design/nft-auction-c...

Sure, Linus can sell an NFT containing the word "Linux" the same way he can sell a picture of his feet or just about anything else. It is all meaningless since (1) the NFT does not grant any ownership rights or licenses and (2) Linux code is anyways available under GPLv2.

> Linux code is anyways available under GPLv2

Yes, it doesn't stop anyone from using Linux. So win-win for all.

Re: Charlie Bit My Finger video to be taken off YouTube after selling for £500k

#105

I would describe myself, usually, as not a jealous man. I don't recollect the last time I've felt jealousy. But, something about NFTs provokes anger within me. Maybe that anger is jealously. It feels like NFTs are a mockery of the "market" for lack of a better word. When I think of what I would need to sell (items or time doing labor) to get these amounts and how incredibly useless NFTs actually are... It's frustrati…

Yeah, we're all living in some kind of clown world. Even in the irrational cryptocurrency market we have utterly insane stuff like DOGE being valued at almost one dollar because Elon Musk made memetic tweets. There's no point in arguing with it, better to profit off of it.

Re: Charlie Bit My Finger video to be taken off YouTube after selling for £500k

#106

What would happen if I put up a NFT for sale of something I had no part in making?

people will know and they will value it accordingly but no one will stop you for doing it, at least for now.

> people will know

How will they know?

Re: Charlie Bit My Finger video to be taken off YouTube after selling for £500k

#107

The only explanation for NFTs that made sense to me is that people with an interest in the network (e.g. early investors) are bidding up some choice NFTs to make news and drive interest in their network. There is no actual market for NFTs at these prices, but that doesn't stop groups with deep pockets from pretending like there is by purchasing well known memes for eye popping amounts. If internet "celebrities" are a…

The beeple NFT that sold for 60m, was obviously an attempt to make NFTs look valuable.

Re: Charlie Bit My Finger video to be taken off YouTube after selling for £500k

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Is NFT an eternal copyright now? An NFT is basically a deed of ownership, like buying up property. Such products will never see the public domain, as they are owned forever. I wonder if the major publishing companies are eyeing these up

An NFT has nothing to do with ownership of the property. But... if the property is ALSO sold along with the NFT, it will lose copyright protection at life + 70 years just like any other created art. The NFT will then refer to a public domain object, but it gives no power over it.

As the laws currently stand, at least.

I wonder if the NFT token itself loses copyright and becomes public domain at some point?

Re: Charlie Bit My Finger video to be taken off YouTube after selling for £500k

#109

Is NFT an eternal copyright now? An NFT is basically a deed of ownership, like buying up property. Such products will never see the public domain, as they are owned forever. I wonder if the major publishing companies are eyeing these up

But they're not the copyright: > An NFT is a bit like a collectible certificate of authenticity, but its owner does not actually buy the copyright itself - meaning the artwork the NFT represents can still be shown wherever the original artist or creator chooses. What you "own" when you buy an NFT is bragging rights about owning the NFT. Edit: It's like if you bought the gold masters for Abbey Road. You don't own the…

And you also own the right to sell the NFT to the next fool.

Re: Charlie Bit My Finger video to be taken off YouTube after selling for £500k

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post #9

I don't have any problems with people buying or selling art for large sums of money, nor do I have a problem with people classifying art as pretty much whatever they want. The only thing I mind are the people pretending a real problem has been solved with NFTs. In any current (or conceived as far as I know) implementation of NFTs you have to trust so many people, technologies, and companies that the blockchain being…

> The only thing I mind are the people pretending a real problem has been solved with NFTs.

It's not a pretend problem at all.

The author could have used any existing auction platform too sell the rights to that video without involving NFT or crypto-currency. But they would never have gotten that much money for it. NFT solves that.

NFT is to auctions what adding "Blockchain" to your publicly-listed company-name was a few years ago, it increases valuation to ridiculous levels. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-27/what-s-in...

It's stupid, but it works.

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