Looking forward to read the transcripts from the cockpit voice recorder. Curious to know whether the pilots knew or suspected that there were intelligence operatives on board.
Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk
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Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk
#32The caa.gov.by news release has a much more complete (Belarusian-sourced) transcript than the edited Reuters one: http://caa.gov.by/ru/news-ru/view/1-203/ EDIT: copy-pasta from (Belarusian) source https://gist.github.com/SpComb/849b97bae720cb77ab4c43ef92dae...
"Resource Limit Is Reached" :-(
Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk
#33> Following are excerpts from the transcript, which Reuters was unable to verify. Why do they even post it then?
Because (in the modern news cycle) being first is more important than the risk of being wrong?
Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk
#34This is actually a good development. A number of countries purporting to hold the highest standards on human rights were actually the ones to use this tactic of diverting flights to apprehended those they deemed to be their enemies. I am referring to the United States and EU countries in the Snowden case and other cases before that. They lowered the bar first. Now Belarus joined to the new level. It’ll be interesting…
Citation please?
Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk
#35> Following are excerpts from the transcript, which Reuters was unable to verify. Why do they even post it then?
To manipulate opinions.
Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk
#36> Pilot: Again, this recommendation to divert to Minsk where did it come from? Where did it come from? Company? Did it come from departure airport authorities or arrival airport authorities? Is it usual for a pilot to ask for all this information? From a "casual reader" perspective, it looks like the pilot really did not want to divert, but this might just be my reading.
PIC is ultimately responsible for safety of flight, not controllers or authorities. Given the unusual message which is essentially asking the pilot to declare emergency and oddly specific instructions to divert I don't think this is unusual. Normally in an emergency the pilot would divert to either the filed alternate airport or to another at the pilot's discretion, they would not be told specifically where to go (they might be offered a suggestion, they would often even ask the controller for suggestions since the controller has all the weather at hand, but it would be odd in the US at least for a controller to just directly tell a pilot where to divert as this is understood to be the pilot's call). The transcript gives the feeling the pilot was confused about why they were being given instructions to divert to Minsk which I would assume was not their filed alternate. Pilots in general and airliners especially do not like last-minute changes of plan because they are a good way for an accident to happen, that's why there are planned and filed alternates.
Or put more simply: normally in an emergency the controller asks the pilot what they want to do ("say intentions"). The controller telling the pilot what to do is very weird and inconsistent with the general concept of the PIC as ultimately in command.
Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk
#37> Following are excerpts from the transcript, which Reuters was unable to verify. Why do they even post it then?
Because the source is likely good enough to post.
MSNBC reported on some CNN reporting the other week, while acknowledging that they haven't independently verified it yet. MSNBC was not saying that CNN isn't credible, it's just that they like to clarify that they haven't verified it themselves yet.
Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk
#38> Pilot: Again, this recommendation to divert to Minsk where did it come from? Where did it come from? Company? Did it come from departure airport authorities or arrival airport authorities? Is it usual for a pilot to ask for all this information? From a "casual reader" perspective, it looks like the pilot really did not want to divert, but this might just be my reading.
Is it unusual for a human being having a human response? This request was obvious raising a lot of alarm bells. Nobody should follow order blindly. You act like a pilot is some sort of butler who should only do as followed?
I don't think you can even ask if it's usual for a pilot because this request was anything but usual.
Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk
#39The caa.gov.by news release has a much more complete (Belarusian-sourced) transcript than the edited Reuters one: http://caa.gov.by/ru/news-ru/view/1-203/ EDIT: copy-pasta from (Belarusian) source https://gist.github.com/SpComb/849b97bae720cb77ab4c43ef92dae...
You can not possibly trust their version.
Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk
#40This is actually a good development. A number of countries purporting to hold the highest standards on human rights were actually the ones to use this tactic of diverting flights to apprehended those they deemed to be their enemies. I am referring to the United States and EU countries in the Snowden case and other cases before that. They lowered the bar first. Now Belarus joined to the new level. It’ll be interesting…
Your thoughts remind me a bit of the Gabriel character is the end of the movie Constantine - (paraphrased) Since you humans can't seem to appreciate what God's granted you in this free will thing, I'm going to help bring hell on Earth and mass murder you wholesale, so the ones left over will be more appreciative"
Not saying that I have any better alternative... politics have always seemed to me to be more of a "I just want to hold onto control of anything I can manage" system, as opposed to a "I'm going to try to bring understanding and the best good for all" system.