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Re: Italian seaside residents hit with bygone feudal tax

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Post by dantheman »

FpUser wrote: post #91
AdrianB1 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you assume taxes are a payment for services? In most cases there is no written contract with rights and obligations of each party and there is no implied right or obligation of any sort.

>"Why do you assume taxes are a payment for services?" Because the only alternative in this case is the outright theft. >"there is no implied right or obligation of any sort." Sorry but there is implied obligation. I totally expect to get some services in return for money taken from me and I suspect I am not alone. For experiment try sending part of government that does actual services for constituents for a year lon…

Taxes are theft.

Re: Italian seaside residents hit with bygone feudal tax

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Post by mncharity »

azernik wrote: post #11

Note that in a common law system, this would be thrown out of court under either "acquiescence" (if you don't raise a fuss for a very long time when someone unknowingly infringes your rights, you can lose those rights), or "laches" (if you wait long enough to make a legal claim that the defendant is injured by e.g. having made economic decisions in ignorance of that claim). Not sure about the equivalent Italian law,…

IIRC, MIT periodically locks each generally-unlocked through-corridor exterior door, lest a public right of way become established.

Re: Italian seaside residents hit with bygone feudal tax

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Post by Joker_vD »

oblio wrote: post #68
Joker_vD wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect that none of the European countries to the eastern side of the Iron Curtain retained feudal law, or much of the "legacy" law in general. That, I guess, is one of the few potential upsides of any revolution: an opportunity arises to just throw away a lot of pre-existing arrangements and re-draw them anew in (hopefully) more sensible way. Of course, the quality of the new design and/or its implementation is n…

And the rewrite process might include beheading, hanging or shooting some of the old API endpoints.

As is usual: it's not like the Inclosure Acts were met with unbridled enthusiasm from the rural folk. On the contrary, there were revolts and subsequent hanging of the unruly peasants.

Re: Italian seaside residents hit with bygone feudal tax

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Post by avereveard »

toyg wrote: post #25
Y_Y wrote: post #2

Maybe they should apply to the king of Italy for relief, since it is from his divine right to all the land that the fief is granted to his vassals.

I guess this is a joke about the continued claim of the Savoy house to a title that was abolished 75 years ago, and which was pretty tenuous to begin with (they're basically a French family, who effectively conquered the country in the XIX century by exploiting unification movements across the area - which were, ironically, ideologically republican, but had to accept the monarchy out of realpolitik).

it's also unclear whose person would carry the title, even if the title where valid, as while Amedeo's lineage would be the actual claimant, the Vittorio lineage is strongly opposing that and they're presenting themselves as the successors.

Re: Italian seaside residents hit with bygone feudal tax

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Post by clarkmoody »

FpUser wrote: post #91
AdrianB1 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you assume taxes are a payment for services? In most cases there is no written contract with rights and obligations of each party and there is no implied right or obligation of any sort.

>"Why do you assume taxes are a payment for services?" Because the only alternative in this case is the outright theft. >"there is no implied right or obligation of any sort." Sorry but there is implied obligation. I totally expect to get some services in return for money taken from me and I suspect I am not alone. For experiment try sending part of government that does actual services for constituents for a year lon…

Alternate experiment: try to force the government to perform a service for you.

Re: Italian seaside residents hit with bygone feudal tax

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Post by w0de0 »

dantheman wrote: post #101
FpUser wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"Why do you assume taxes are a payment for services?" Because the only alternative in this case is the outright theft. >"there is no implied right or obligation of any sort." Sorry but there is implied obligation. I totally expect to get some services in return for money taken from me and I suspect I am not alone. For experiment try sending part of government that does actual services for constituents for a year lon…

Taxes are theft.

Give to Caeser what is the Caesar's.

Re: Italian seaside residents hit with bygone feudal tax

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

dantheman wrote: post #101
FpUser wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"Why do you assume taxes are a payment for services?" Because the only alternative in this case is the outright theft. >"there is no implied right or obligation of any sort." Sorry but there is implied obligation. I totally expect to get some services in return for money taken from me and I suspect I am not alone. For experiment try sending part of government that does actual services for constituents for a year lon…

Taxes are theft.

Somebody else said "property is theft". Different strokes.

Re: Italian seaside residents hit with bygone feudal tax

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Post by jmkb »

bellyfullofbac wrote: post #61
throwaway894345 wrote: post #56

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> The word Butt is derived from the Anglo French word 'bouter' meaning to expel. Wow. I suppose that’s the same etymology for “butt” in the anatomological sense?

Wiktionary says: Pprobably from Old English buttuc (“end; end piece”; also, “short piece of land”). I wonder how "to expel" ends up being "a short piece of land"...

My favorite piece-of-land word is "gore," which is either a triangular parcel formed where roads intersect at an acute angle, or a narrow strip of land (usually also an acute triangle) of uncertain ownership resulting from inaccurate surveying. It's derived from the Old English word for spear, which also came to mean stab, and a stab wound, and eventually blood-n-guts in general.

Re: Italian seaside residents hit with bygone feudal tax

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Post by [deleted] »

3v1n0 wrote: post #34

The news isn't so new ( https://www.lastampa.it/topnews/primo-piano/2021/03/12/news/... ), but doesn't look something that will really end up well for those "barons" (no title is recognized in Italy - as should be everywhere). However if they want the rights, they're possible legible also of having to pay to the tenants for all the improvements they did so far, and very likely taxes on the property. So... Might end u…

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