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Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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10 years ago I would be really excited, as I could expect some groundbreaking tech like search engine or revolutionary approach to something, like Gmail (no ads sent to users, great UI, hige disk space). Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from…

I'm so done with this smart home stuff. "Alexa, turn on Living Room." "I'm sorry, I'm having trouble understanding now." I mean, yeah, I can toggle the light switch to get it to turn on, but then it gets screwed up and I need to go into the app to reset it when the internet comes back on. I don't even want to think about a smart thermostat. My dumb thermostat from 10 years ago let's me set timers which is all I reall…

I have smart thermostats, specifically the AVM Fritz! ones. They only require their own router (which, where I live, is a common thing to have) and use DECT to talk to the router (you can find DECT usb sticks that work on Linux, the protocol they talk isn't super complex). They run about 2-10 years on a single battery, depending on use.

And they're fully offline, the router has an API I can control them from (HomeAssistant instantly picked up both thermostats and lets me control them), pretty much everything I want.

AVM's smarthome story is miles ahead of Google/Apple/etc. Same for IKEA's smarthome stuff. If you need offline capable things, use those.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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10 years ago I would be really excited, as I could expect some groundbreaking tech like search engine or revolutionary approach to something, like Gmail (no ads sent to users, great UI, hige disk space). Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from…

> Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from free Web... Since Chrome came along, the 'Web' became less free from the start and the moment Google forked WebKit (called Blink) to use it in their own browser, it has turned the web more into a walle…

If it wasn't for Safari, the Web would be a synomim for ChromeOS outside Chromebooks.

Firefox is getting irrelevant and the latest news show their focus isn't surely in turning the tide, UI revamp, really?

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Don’t worry, they’ll abandon it in a year or two because not enough people use it.

Nah, it's an hardware-related project, so it will get entrenched even if it's fundamentally different from other hardware-related Google projects. Eventually you'll be able to buy Google devices that run Android, Google devices that run ChromeOS, and Google devices that run Fuchsia. It will be confusing, but that's fine, because it will all work great as long as you stick to Google's cloud-based services , which is w…

Brillo => Android Things => dead after three years.

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I have a Pixel phone and run GrapheneOS on it. No Play Services, no Google apps, only open source software from F-Droid. Works really well.

That is because you are clearly a Computer person. The average person has their entire digital life owned by Google.

My point is that it's totally possible to have an Android phone without any proprietary Google software components, thanks to Android being open source.

Same with Fuchsia - its license should allow to make a fully FOSS privacy-respecting variant, and maybe it would be something I could recommend to my friends or family to replace Windows on their desktop for example (if Fuchsia becomes popular enough). At least such option exists, unlike in the case of Windows, so I don't see Fuchsia as a bad thing.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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10 years ago I would be really excited, as I could expect some groundbreaking tech like search engine or revolutionary approach to something, like Gmail (no ads sent to users, great UI, hige disk space). Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from…

Seconded. However, you forgot to worry about the inevitable shutdown just when you would start to enjoy or rely on it.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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What problem does Fuchsia solve? Google already has at least three other operating systems to use. On the other hand, Google has never seemed particularly shy about starting something new rather than work on something old. I'm thinking of their messaging systems that they start every couple of years. Also, the branding isn't great. The top image in the linked story immediately makes me think this has something to do…

I also believe there's significant chunks, like the network stack, written in memory-safe languages like Rust. An improvement over C.

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I came here for a technical discussion about Fuchsia and it's microkernel approach instead this is mostly fill with complains about Google as a company. Is there a social justice forum I can visit where I may be able to have a technical discussion about Fuchsia?

I think the discussion cannot be really detached, since Google has strong ambitions that will undeniably influence features and capabilities of their OS. But as for the microkernel approach, I think the advantages are on the table, but they are theoretical. Until now, no OS with a micro architecture was successful at getting significant market share. What would your requirements at an OS like this be? For me, it woul…

Look outside of the desktop into embedded platforms.

QNX, Switch OS, INTEGRITY OS, L4.

To a certain extent, all Android OS services after Project Treble.

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I'm so done with this smart home stuff. "Alexa, turn on Living Room." "I'm sorry, I'm having trouble understanding now." I mean, yeah, I can toggle the light switch to get it to turn on, but then it gets screwed up and I need to go into the app to reset it when the internet comes back on. I don't even want to think about a smart thermostat. My dumb thermostat from 10 years ago let's me set timers which is all I reall…

I've actually had a really positive experience using a smart thermostat. The main benefit is having a temperature schedule, which my previous dumb thermostat didn't have. It's also handy being able to adjust the temperature from my phone whenever I'd like to. I find controlling it by voice kind of pointless. On the phone, you can easily see what it's currently at, then adjust it for the next e.g. hour, after which it…

Most dumb thermostats also have next-hour-override functionality, though I will say I had a Nest at a previous house and also thought it was pretty decent. In particular, it was nice being able to turn it way down when going away, but then crank it back up when heading home but still 30 mins away.

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Yes, now when Google's social enforcement algorithms label you an impediment, they can not only delete your YouTube video business and cut you off from your email, calendar, and Google Docs, they'll be able to turn the heat off in your house. The march of progress.

Five years ago, I would have thought you were trolling, but now you are right. With this scorched earth mentality exercised by the big companies, this is a very real possibility. What scared me quite a bit was Apple blocking all services when an Apple Card wasn't paid. That leads me to believe that Google could via an algorithm's decision disable a Nest thermostat during winter. I don't see IoT as anything but a risk…

Google would have the power to enact their racial equity agenda and turn down the heat in white households during winter. Just a few degrees because they "should feel uncomfortable" while black and brown bodies are suffering.

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The personal is political. And the technical is political. You cannot separate a work from the context in which it operates.

And flooding every conversation with your political agenda so none else can discuss any other topics is abusive.

The above was edent's only comment. It's abusive if it's an organized effort, which it is not.
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