"I DECLARE....BANKRUPTCY!!!!"
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Seems you should be able to take the land back with a declaration just like they took the land before. Someone took it originally.
Italian seaside residents hit with bygone feudal tax
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Re: Italian seaside residents hit with bygone feudal tax
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
In Switzerland, the rule that every house must be constructed with an appropriate fallout shelter has only been relaxed 10 years ago. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-swiss-bunker-idUSTRE7B01R...
Years ago, I was doing some C++ training for Texas Instruments in Bedford, England. I remarked to the woman running the course how brutalistically ugly their building was. She said it was to prevent damage from earthquakes. Bedford is not exactly famous for these events, and she explained that TI simply had one (possibly quake proof) building designed, and then built the same one all over the world. She may have been…
Interesting. I live near the TI HQ in Dallas, so I thought I'd take a peek. The Bedford location apparently still exists as "Bedford Heights," and it does look like a mini TI. The Bedford Heights website does call out the "cyclone-proof roof," which they imported directly from the Dallas HQ blueprints.
Re: Italian seaside residents hit with bygone feudal tax
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
These things really are to extract money and commissions during the property purchase. In most cases there is no issue at all but no-one is going to question paying a few pounds extra on a property purchase "for peace of mind".
It was literally a one-off £4 in 2006. I doubt it helped the solicitor in any way...
Indeed if you have a fixed fee conveyancing deal (I'm not sure about the UK but it seems common over here) the solicitor is probably losing money just on the administration of filling out the paperwork and then billing you that 4 pounds...
Re: Italian seaside residents hit with bygone feudal tax
#74No way. The owner of the land is inscribed in the cadastral books. If he's from Swiss, then he can collect the money. But also pay the overdue land taxes. If he is not ...
Re: Italian seaside residents hit with bygone feudal tax
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Years ago, I was doing some C++ training for Texas Instruments in Bedford, England. I remarked to the woman running the course how brutalistically ugly their building was. She said it was to prevent damage from earthquakes. Bedford is not exactly famous for these events, and she explained that TI simply had one (possibly quake proof) building designed, and then built the same one all over the world. She may have been…
Interesting. I live near the TI HQ in Dallas, so I thought I'd take a peek. The Bedford location apparently still exists as "Bedford Heights," and it does look like a mini TI. The Bedford Heights website does call out the "cyclone-proof roof," which they imported directly from the Dallas HQ blueprints.
Ah, thinking back (it was a loooong time ago, and I was only on-site for five days) I think she may have mentioned typhoons.
The thing that really struck me at the time was not so much the building, but the security. There were card-access only doors every few yards, and they wouldn't give me even a visitor card - I had to be escorted to the lav and canteen all the time, which was irritating for all concerned. God knows what they were up to in there - summoning dread Cthulhu?
Re: Italian seaside residents hit with bygone feudal tax
#76I grew up in an area of upstate New York where the land was mostly apportioned into feudal estates by the Dutch. There were anti-rent rebellions in the 19th century and the descendants of the patroons stopped collecting the rent. But… folks never had title to their land and were effectively stuck until a law was passed in the 1960s. It’s really interesting as the effect is that many families have lived there for 400…
Kind of strange that the Dutch are blamed for this, when the British took over mid-1600 and the Americans after the independence war end-1700.
Those are two moments where this whole notion of feudal estates could easily have been abolished, but for some reason the new rulers decided against this.
Re: Italian seaside residents hit with bygone feudal tax
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Not sure about the equivalent Italian law, but I would be deeply surprised if there isn't something similar. It's actually in the constitution: hereditary titles are no longer recognized.
That's a more specific thing regarding hereditary titles. Acquiescence in the common law applies to any right. Could be water rights, grazing rights, certain intellectual property rights (though those are generally registered in a way that infringing on them legally "unknowing" is hard), &c If I have grazing rights on land that someone else owns, but don't actually graze there for decades and a new owner doesn't know…
In Italy we have something like that, that should translate to usucaption[0] or acquisitive prescription. The term for real estate is 20 years, for other types of property it is shorter.
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#78Now wondering which European countries still have intact feudal law. Scotland abolished feudal tenure in 2000: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_Feudal_Tenure_etc... ; most of the feu burdens were abolished or explicitly ported across. England&Wales still retains the feudal system in places and occasionally people are hit by "chancel repair liability" or somesuch. The chivalric court still exists: https://en…
> For a further two years, the superior had the option of claiming compensation; this was fixed at a single payment of a size that, when invested at an annual rate of 2.5%, it would yield interest equal to the former feu duty. Because inflation had eroded the value of duties, which had been fixed many years before, this payment was in most cases extremely small compared with the current value of the land.
This is interesting in that it isn't really "abolishing" payments in so much as you are required to establish an endowment so to speak. Really it is inflation (enabled by fiat) that allowed one to escape this duty it seems...
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#79funnily enough, this hasn't come up on italian newspapers.
I checked the Corriere (corriere.it), Repubblica (repubblica.it) and il fatto quotidiano (ilfattoquotidiano.it) since they're three different voices with vastly different opinions on what to report and what not to report.
interesting.
Re: Italian seaside residents hit with bygone feudal tax
#80I grew up in an area of upstate New York where the land was mostly apportioned into feudal estates by the Dutch. There were anti-rent rebellions in the 19th century and the descendants of the patroons stopped collecting the rent. But… folks never had title to their land and were effectively stuck until a law was passed in the 1960s. It’s really interesting as the effect is that many families have lived there for 400…
Kind of strange that the Dutch are blamed for this, when the British took over mid-1600 and the Americans after the independence war end-1700. Those are two moments where this whole notion of feudal estates could easily have been abolished, but for some reason the new rulers decided against this.
Did they decide against it, or did they just not pay any attention to the area at all?