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Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by ryukafalz »

kerneis wrote: post #61
zibzab wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google open source engagement was already "throw over the wall" style before this. I assume things will only get worse now.

Fuchsia, like Chrome, has been open-source for years, and all commits and reviews as well as the bug tracker are public. It is a very different model from how Android releases work. (Disclaimer: I work on Fuchsia at Google.)

So, if I buy a device that runs Fuchsia (say, this Nest Hub), is enough of Fuchsia FOSS that I can run my own copy of it with e.g. a different UI and without Google services? This is true of Android devices by necessity as the kernel is GPL (bootloader locking aside); is it true of Fuchsia devices?

As for bootloader locking, Google releases some Android devices with unlockable bootloaders. Can we expect the same of Fuchsia devices?

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by mvanbaak »

znpy wrote: post #83
DrBazza wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Gmail was a galactic leap forward in terms of mail clients Only in terms of storage and 'hive mind' spam detection. The UI was pretty shitty, and not much better than Hotmail.

Uh, I still use the no-javascript interface in my personal gmail. it's immensely fast when compared to modern crapware-gmail. and btw I remember hotmail too... the nicest thing was that you didn't have to refresh the whole page, e-mails just appeared (ajax probably). and the conversation view, that was really innovative. i mean, mail clients had been doing threading for like forever, but wemail mostly didn't.

Webmail still doesn't.

It does 'grouping' at maximum. Try reading a mailinglist in the gmail webinterface. A reply on a reply should be indented one level, not being shown at the same level as the mail it replies to.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by cpach »

Grazester wrote: post #63

I came here for a technical discussion about Fuchsia and it's microkernel approach instead this is mostly fill with complains about Google as a company. Is there a social justice forum I can visit where I may be able to have a technical discussion about Fuchsia?

Please post your thoughts and questions about Fuchsia!

I wonder where Fuchsia will be in 5-10 years. Will it thrive? If so, in what space will it thrive?

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by jasonvorhe »

RavlaAlvar wrote: post #77

Would this solve the extreme UI lag and make google hub finally useable?

It really depends on the polish of Fuchsia for Nest Hubs. Getting a few more FPS out of the 1st gen hardware is something I'm actually hoping for because it's gotten really slow and I rarily touch the screen anymore because of the lag.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by DebtDeflation »

piokoch wrote: post #2

10 years ago I would be really excited, as I could expect some groundbreaking tech like search engine or revolutionary approach to something, like Gmail (no ads sent to users, great UI, hige disk space). Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from…

I'm so done with this smart home stuff.

"Alexa, turn on Living Room."

"I'm sorry, I'm having trouble understanding now."

I mean, yeah, I can toggle the light switch to get it to turn on, but then it gets screwed up and I need to go into the app to reset it when the internet comes back on.

I don't even want to think about a smart thermostat. My dumb thermostat from 10 years ago let's me set timers which is all I really need.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by dman »

abdulla wrote: post #21
mbStavola wrote: post #18

Around December or January I tried to get Fuchsia going in QEMU to play around a bit and maybe contribute back some code, but nothing quite worked as I expected. Based on this experience I had figured they were still years off from shipping but I'm pleasantly surprised to see that I was (obviously) wrong. Congrats to the team and looking forward to seeing it work as intended!

If you're willing to give it another go, you should try it in FEMU (our fork of QEMU): https://fuchsia.dev/fuchsia-src/get-started/set_up_femu

Any pointers to any hardware / dev boards that one can run fuchsia on? I remember seeing Intel NUCs being used in the past, is there a recommended hardware configuration for developers now?

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by jasonvorhe »

cookguyruffles wrote: post #24
nicoburns wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux

This is the correct answer. Do not allow a subtly different technical design distract you from the largest switcheroo here: this is a single-vendor enterprise OS delivered under the guise of open source, it comes with all the trappings of a single-vendor enterprise OS. Let's not be too quick to forget when Android first started out, all the idealism about the wonders of a free software mobile OS. A decade later, it's…

Android would be dead in the water today if it wasn't for Play Services. Developing for Android is still painful today because but Play Services at least meant that you could expect a certain range of features spanning multiple major releases of Android.

I'm pretty sure that Play Services wasn't something Google really wanted to have but were forced to implement because so many OEMs just shit the bed w/r/t their Android forks.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by izacus »

edent wrote: post #87
Grazester wrote: post #63

I came here for a technical discussion about Fuchsia and it's microkernel approach instead this is mostly fill with complains about Google as a company. Is there a social justice forum I can visit where I may be able to have a technical discussion about Fuchsia?

The personal is political. And the technical is political. You cannot separate a work from the context in which it operates.

And flooding every conversation with your political agenda so none else can discuss any other topics is abusive.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by [deleted] »

jasonvorhe wrote: post #98
cookguyruffles wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the correct answer. Do not allow a subtly different technical design distract you from the largest switcheroo here: this is a single-vendor enterprise OS delivered under the guise of open source, it comes with all the trappings of a single-vendor enterprise OS. Let's not be too quick to forget when Android first started out, all the idealism about the wonders of a free software mobile OS. A decade later, it's…

Android would be dead in the water today if it wasn't for Play Services. Developing for Android is still painful today because but Play Services at least meant that you could expect a certain range of features spanning multiple major releases of Android. I'm pretty sure that Play Services wasn't something Google really wanted to have but were forced to implement because so many OEMs just shit the bed w/r/t their Andr…

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