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Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by dkersten »

piokoch wrote: post #2

10 years ago I would be really excited, as I could expect some groundbreaking tech like search engine or revolutionary approach to something, like Gmail (no ads sent to users, great UI, hige disk space). Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from…

Don’t worry, they’ll abandon it in a year or two because not enough people use it.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by ancarda »

dragonsh wrote: post #55
wikibob wrote: post #5

A big success for Rust in the wild

By that metric JSON is the clear winner but that's not the case, its a win for Rust and also for C, C++, Dart, GO, Python and many more. ─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Language Files Lines Blanks Comments Code Complexity ─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Rust 10640 3126941 295777 480090 2351074 125641 C++ 8744 2025857 31878…

    Estimated Cost to Develop (organic) $467,287,312
    Estimated Schedule Effort (organic) 142.185717 months
    Estimated People Required (organic) 291.973834
Where does this come from? Does cloc now try to estimate how much time/money would be required to build software?

I'd be interested what it thinks of my code. Do you have to give it a lot of code for these numbers to appear?

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by KptMarchewa »

DrBazza wrote: post #67
NikolaeVarius wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its so weird how fast history is forgotten. Gmail was a galactic leap forward in terms of mail clients. At school there was a grey market to sell gmail invites at 20 dollars per

> Gmail was a galactic leap forward in terms of mail clients Only in terms of storage and 'hive mind' spam detection. The UI was pretty shitty, and not much better than Hotmail.

>The UI was pretty shitty, and not much better than Hotmail.

UI performance was great due to early use of ajax. If you had bad connection, which was extremely common in 2000's, then it worked way better than any alternative.

Of course, now it's the other way around, static websites are fast and SPAs can be dogshit slow.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by tormeh »

rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #3

What's the community-driven alternative?

Redox OS is pretty cool, but without at least one big corporate sponsor it won't be able to amass the ecosystem needed to be viable for most use-cases. That said, I believe it's almost self-hosting now, so definitely a real OS that you can run software in today.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by nr2x »

DrBazza wrote: post #67
NikolaeVarius wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its so weird how fast history is forgotten. Gmail was a galactic leap forward in terms of mail clients. At school there was a grey market to sell gmail invites at 20 dollars per

> Gmail was a galactic leap forward in terms of mail clients Only in terms of storage and 'hive mind' spam detection. The UI was pretty shitty, and not much better than Hotmail.

Did you use hotmail? It was absolutely awful.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by jsnell »

ancarda wrote: post #72
dragonsh wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By that metric JSON is the clear winner but that's not the case, its a win for Rust and also for C, C++, Dart, GO, Python and many more. ─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Language Files Lines Blanks Comments Code Complexity ─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Rust 10640 3126941 295777 480090 2351074 125641 C++ 8744 2025857 31878…

Estimated Cost to Develop (organic) $467,287,312 Estimated Schedule Effort (organic) 142.185717 months Estimated People Required (organic) 291.973834 Where does this come from? Does cloc now try to estimate how much time/money would be required to build software? I'd be interested what it thinks of my code. Do you have to give it a lot of code for these numbers to appear?

That's probably sloccount or scc, not cloc.

At least for sloccount, the cost/effort estimation model has very little to do with reality in the modern world though.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by dmantis »

kerneis wrote: post #61
zibzab wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google open source engagement was already "throw over the wall" style before this. I assume things will only get worse now.

Fuchsia, like Chrome, has been open-source for years, and all commits and reviews as well as the bug tracker are public. It is a very different model from how Android releases work. (Disclaimer: I work on Fuchsia at Google.)

Chrome is not open-sourced, Chronium is. I cannot rebuild Chrome with full protection against tracking, for example, but with all other parts unchanged.

Android "open sourced" as well, but literally nobody runs AOSP, stock OSS apps are staled for years, Google makes a lot to make system barely usable without proprietary parts from Google Services.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by luch »

greatgib wrote: post #23
abdulla wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're willing to give it another go, you should try it in FEMU (our fork of QEMU): https://fuchsia.dev/fuchsia-src/get-started/set_up_femu

Something should be particularly wrong with the project if you have to use your own fork of qemu...

It's actually pretty standard to fork QEMU when you want to emulate a custom kernel/board. QEMU is a good common emulation platform, but in no way it can emulate correctly every quirks of a custom pci or even PIC device expected by the system.
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