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Re: Drunk as a Lord: the Regency Bottle Men

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Post by TheManInThePub » Tue, May 25, 2021, 11:46 AM UTC

smcl wrote: post #26

TheManInThePub wrote: post #3

> It took another fifty years for the definition of a gentlemen to change to exclude people who got roaring drunk and pissed in the fireplace in the name of hospitality. On the contrary, providing the above is done with panache it would pass quite well here..... *Never* whilst wearing White Tie though. I'm British if you hadn't guessed :-)

What does the “white tie” bit mean? Is it just that this is some sign of “new money” or laddish-ness, or is there some other significance? I’m not being presumptuous or accusing you of anything, I really genuinely do not know and it sounds like it could be interesting :-)

White Tie is formal dress; attending opera, meeting royalty, heads of state and the like. Gentlemen wear tailcoat (with medals), shirt with winged collar and white bow tie, or military dress uniform.

Black Tie ("Tuxedo" to use the Americanism) is semi-formal. A dinner jacket and a black bow tie *never* with a winged collar.

Whilst White Tie events are very formal, at a Black Tie event, one may still drink, puke and shag, provided it is done with style.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_tie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_tie

Re: Drunk as a Lord: the Regency Bottle Men

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Post by taneq » Tue, May 25, 2021, 11:46 AM UTC

elktea wrote: post #14

sgt101 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am no MD - but I am curious, perhaps someone who has a clue can comment on what I am going to say. I believe that Liver Cirrhosis is caused by scaring due to fat being retained in the liver. I understand that fat is retained when the liver is metabolizing alcohol, and that if this is a short term thing then the liver can expel the fat and no scaring occurs. But if you persistently force your liver to metabolize alc…

It's been shown (in rats) that saturated fats are protective against cirrhosis and unsaturated fats (linoleic acid in this case) are required for liver injury. Might explain why some people can drink like fish and have perfectly healthy livers while others suffer badly. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2915600/

Unfortunately, at least according to Wikipedia, linoleic acid is an essential fatty acid so avoiding it is less of an option.

Edit: More info: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3650500/

Re: Drunk as a Lord: the Regency Bottle Men

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Post by smcl » Tue, May 25, 2021, 11:49 AM UTC

TheManInThePub wrote: post #31

smcl wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does the “white tie” bit mean? Is it just that this is some sign of “new money” or laddish-ness, or is there some other significance? I’m not being presumptuous or accusing you of anything, I really genuinely do not know and it sounds like it could be interesting :-)

White Tie is formal dress; attending opera, meeting royalty, heads of state and the like. Gentlemen wear tailcoat (with medals), shirt with winged collar and white bow tie, or military dress uniform. Black Tie ("Tuxedo" to use the Americanism) is semi-formal. A dinner jacket and a black bow tie *never* with a winged collar. Whilst White Tie events are very formal, at a Black Tie event, one may still drink, puke and s…

Oh funny, I had heard of Black Tie but never White Tie! Thanks!

Re: Drunk as a Lord: the Regency Bottle Men

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Post by JasonFruit » Tue, May 25, 2021, 12:17 PM UTC

I notice that their metric for "did not damage… his health" is "He died at 87." What was his quality of life like? Did he suffer acutely from gout, or have other health problems that limited what he could do, and his enjoyment of life? There are better measures of health than longevity.

Re: Drunk as a Lord: the Regency Bottle Men

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Post by OJFord » Tue, May 25, 2021, 12:32 PM UTC

TheManInThePub wrote: post #31

smcl wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does the “white tie” bit mean? Is it just that this is some sign of “new money” or laddish-ness, or is there some other significance? I’m not being presumptuous or accusing you of anything, I really genuinely do not know and it sounds like it could be interesting :-)

White Tie is formal dress; attending opera, meeting royalty, heads of state and the like. Gentlemen wear tailcoat (with medals), shirt with winged collar and white bow tie, or military dress uniform. Black Tie ("Tuxedo" to use the Americanism) is semi-formal. A dinner jacket and a black bow tie *never* with a winged collar. Whilst White Tie events are very formal, at a Black Tie event, one may still drink, puke and s…

> A dinner jacket and a black bow tie never with a winged collar.

How else will you show off the nice clip on your tie?

(:mischievous-face:, /s, et al.)

Re: Drunk as a Lord: the Regency Bottle Men

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Post by bipson » Tue, May 25, 2021, 12:33 PM UTC

sgt101 wrote: post #17

bipson wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EDIT: I realized that I am maybe a little sensitive, and the question could be read the other way round, giving the liver enough time to recover between two occasional (small) intakes. That is actually an interesting question. Leaving original answer (but please don't be triggered by me failing to read the question correctly): And you're free to do so. But don't expect an absolution from a health professional, in the…

Thank you for trying to answer in good faith! I will say that early in my life I saw some extremely healthy and clean living friends killed by events and disease and I learned that we all only have a short time to live, despite the promises and absolutions we might get from doctors or priests. However, there is a difference between taking some risks and risking your life - and I guess that exploiting drugs, and sex,…

There is a saying where my folks are from: "Dying from fear of death will just as well kill you".

But what I learned the last few years is that I don't miss the things that I thought were "living" when I was young. Drinking or "Nights out" is one of them. Also: Everything "Internet" (Netflix, Youtube, News, ...). Especially when it actually hinders me from experiencing life (it will steal your day).

That does not mean I regret anything. I made my experiences, everyone should, I think this is an important part of growing up for a lot of people.

Nowadays, eating healthy/well, exercise, etc. are the things that make me feel more alive and well - these are the things that make life "better".

But also I have two small kids, so there is no time and space for all these "silly things". And for the same reason I eat to much crap and don't exercise nearly enough for my taste. And I watch way too much YouTube.

Moral: Do your best and try to enjoy it. Nobody can tell you if the bus is waiting for you the next corner. But wether it changes anything if you are drunk at the time is up to you.

Re: Drunk as a Lord: the Regency Bottle Men

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Post by _ZeD_ » Tue, May 25, 2021, 1:53 PM UTC

smcl wrote: post #33

TheManInThePub wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

White Tie is formal dress; attending opera, meeting royalty, heads of state and the like. Gentlemen wear tailcoat (with medals), shirt with winged collar and white bow tie, or military dress uniform. Black Tie ("Tuxedo" to use the Americanism) is semi-formal. A dinner jacket and a black bow tie *never* with a winged collar. Whilst White Tie events are very formal, at a Black Tie event, one may still drink, puke and s…

Oh funny, I had heard of Black Tie but never White Tie! Thanks!

I think that beside receving a Nobel prize or dining with the queen one doesn't have many occasions to wear the white tie

Re: Drunk as a Lord: the Regency Bottle Men

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Post by throwaway0a5e » Tue, May 25, 2021, 3:25 PM UTC

JasonFruit wrote: post #34

I notice that their metric for "did not damage… his health" is "He died at 87." What was his quality of life like? Did he suffer acutely from gout, or have other health problems that limited what he could do, and his enjoyment of life? There are better measures of health than longevity.

He died riding a horse. I think it's fair to say he wasn't nearly crippled by disease and it wasn't a multi-year bedridden slide into death.

Re: Drunk as a Lord: the Regency Bottle Men

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Post by himlion » Tue, May 25, 2021, 4:01 PM UTC

_ZeD_ wrote: post #37

smcl wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh funny, I had heard of Black Tie but never White Tie! Thanks!

I think that beside receving a Nobel prize or dining with the queen one doesn't have many occasions to wear the white tie

Certain kinds of fraternities like to host white tie events.

Re: Drunk as a Lord: the Regency Bottle Men

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Post by JasonFruit » Tue, May 25, 2021, 4:14 PM UTC

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #38

JasonFruit wrote: post #34

I notice that their metric for "did not damage… his health" is "He died at 87." What was his quality of life like? Did he suffer acutely from gout, or have other health problems that limited what he could do, and his enjoyment of life? There are better measures of health than longevity.

He died riding a horse. I think it's fair to say he wasn't nearly crippled by disease and it wasn't a multi-year bedridden slide into death.

That was a different guy than I meant, but yeah, good point!