EU bans Belarusian airlines from European skies • Hacker News Board

Re: EU bans Belarusian airlines from European skies

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Post by matkoniecz » Tue, May 25, 2021, 9:01 AM UTC

planetis wrote: post #9

matkoniecz wrote: post #2

Nice that something more than strongly worded letters was done.

You mean the European hypocrisy when they call out "state piracy"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incident

1) I am not supporting also this one, especially as it was a sad case of vassalisation

2) Refusing to allow use of airspace is different from hijacking plane and abducting people. If someone is using "state piracy" only for the second one it is entirely defensible.

EDIT:

3) at least in this case I can say that my country (Poland) was not complicit, though probably mostly because they were not asked by USA to do so.

4) Plane was not forced to land, but landed due to technical malfunction

> pilots requested emergency landing due to issues with fuel level indicators and thus inability to confirm sufficient amount of fuel to continue flight

Though problem was triggered by France, Italy, Spain and Portugal refused to allow transit.

Re: EU bans Belarusian airlines from European skies

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Post by matkoniecz » Tue, May 25, 2021, 9:02 AM UTC

liaukovv wrote: post #8

matkoniecz wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For start, it has some real - though minimal - impact, unlike typical strongly worded letters.

I'm not entirely sure belavia is even profitable in the first place

Hopefully now it will deteriorate even more.

Re: EU bans Belarusian airlines from European skies

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Post by kofejnik » Tue, May 25, 2021, 9:03 AM UTC

allendoerfer wrote: post #6

thepangolino wrote: post #4

Is there such a thing as flags of convenience for planes?

EU planes can still fly there and back to the EU.

>> At a meeting in Brussels, the leaders of the 27 member states also told EU airlines not to fly over Belarus, and promised further economic sanctions.

Re: EU bans Belarusian airlines from European skies

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Post by dmos62 » Tue, May 25, 2021, 9:04 AM UTC

matkoniecz wrote: post #5

liaukovv wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure how much more it is

For start, it has some real - though minimal - impact, unlike typical strongly worded letters.

I'd say banning Belorusian airlines after Belorus hijacked a plane (and kidnapped passengers) is like having your kid kidnapped and proclaiming that the kidnapper isn't welcome in your house.

Edit: s/Belorussian/Belorusian

Re: EU bans Belarusian airlines from European skies

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Post by planetis » Tue, May 25, 2021, 9:04 AM UTC

matkoniecz wrote: post #11

planetis wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean the European hypocrisy when they call out "state piracy"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incident

1) I am not supporting also this one, especially as it was a sad case of vassalisation 2) Refusing to allow use of airspace is different from hijacking plane and abducting people. If someone is using "state piracy" only for the second one it is entirely defensible. EDIT: 3) at least in this case I can say that my country (Poland) was not complicit, though probably mostly because they were not asked by USA to do so. 4…

> 1) I am not supporting also this one, especially as it was a sad case of vassalisation

Don't get me wrong I agree.

> 2) Refusing to allow use of airspace is different from hijacking plane and abducting people. If someone is using "state piracy" only for the second one it is entirely defensible.

Not much different the plane was forced to land in Austria. Also this was a diplomatic mission, unlike commercial flights they had absolutely NO jurisdiction to act like this.

Re: EU bans Belarusian airlines from European skies

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Post by oytis » Tue, May 25, 2021, 9:05 AM UTC

planetis wrote: post #9

matkoniecz wrote: post #2

Nice that something more than strongly worded letters was done.

You mean the European hypocrisy when they call out "state piracy"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incident

In addition to what was said, aviation that carries statesmen obeys different rules than civil aviation.

Re: EU bans Belarusian airlines from European skies

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Post by thu2111 » Tue, May 25, 2021, 9:07 AM UTC

But how often do Lukashenko and his circle actually fly out of Belarus anyway? He already had no problem with closing his own borders before anyway, so it's not like this is going to seem like a strong move to him and it only really hurts the Belarusian people.

Re: EU bans Belarusian airlines from European skies

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Post by ajuc » Tue, May 25, 2021, 9:07 AM UTC

liaukovv wrote: post #8

matkoniecz wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For start, it has some real - though minimal - impact, unlike typical strongly worded letters.

I'm not entirely sure belavia is even profitable in the first place

The only things in Belarus that are profitable are IT companies.

Which BTW brings up a question of big international corporations outsourcing to authoritarian countries. Should they be punished financially for being complicit in breaking human rights?

Re: EU bans Belarusian airlines from European skies

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Post by publicola1990 » Tue, May 25, 2021, 9:08 AM UTC

planetis wrote: post #9

matkoniecz wrote: post #2

Nice that something more than strongly worded letters was done.

You mean the European hypocrisy when they call out "state piracy"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incident

Not just that, the Israeli attack on Flotilla to Gaza in 2010 that left 9 people dead on the ships.

Re: EU bans Belarusian airlines from European skies

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Post by mam3 » Tue, May 25, 2021, 9:09 AM UTC

Why is there no one talking about some sort of military response like literally building a base at the bielorussian border with fighter planes that would prevent such equally military actions like that.