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Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by philwelch »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #36
vkou wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think some dweeb checking your ID is a serious impediment to freedom of movement, I invite you to do a few dozen border crossings outside the EU. The ID requirement to fly is not great, but it is nothing like actual border controls.

that is only true if you compare EU to Overtheristan but not to how free movement was sold to EU voters. My comparison is based on what people voted for which was much closer to the concept of a US citizen taking a domestic flight.

US citizens taking domestic flights have to show ID.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by andix »

I once wanted to board a plane from Havanna to Europe and because of a computer glitch my clearance for the US airspace didn’t get approved. So they nearly took off without me.

After 20 minutes of trying to get it approved, they found out that I was checked in twice, and got two seats assigned. The other boarding pass got the confirmation and seemed to prevent the second confirmation. So they took away my boarding pass, and told me to hurry to the plane (a 767 parked directly in front of the gate). I jumped in 5 minutes after scheduled departure time and before I could even get seated they stated push back :D.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by andix »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #9

It looks like the Belarus KGB was on the flight anyway - presumably the journalist was being followed/tracked: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/24/belarus-seizur...

I think that’s obvious. Probably they even have agents with EU citizenship that can move freely around Europe.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by StavrosK »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #33
jamesrr39 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also in Europe, but with a completely different experience; it is (well, was, pre-covid) easy to move between EU states. Within the Schengen Zone it's only the check at the gate to check your ID matches your boarding pass (so no check at "immigration"), and to/from the UK the electronic gates have really sped things up (compared to the old days). YMMV but I find I'm rarely waiting more than a few minutes at the immig…

interesting. this seems to indicate that Schengen countries decided on a national level if they wanted to do checks on their borders. I have seen hard passport checks within Schengen in Croatia, Sweden, Germany, France and Portugal. Good to hear the UK has improved. I should have mentioned I haven't been there since 2018. I was expecting that brexit made things worse and had no idea

Greece doesn't check ID at the airport either, beyond matching your boarding pass to your name.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by nicoburns »

Broken_Hippo wrote: post #39
jesterson wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a side note - it's peculiar how we use "googling" as a synonym of searching. The guy you've mentioned won't be using google and I hope he doesn't have google on the device to fetch all necessary data

I don't think it is. While a lot of folks don't use google, a lot of folks do , and have for a while. It isn't like it is the first time a brand became something more: Band-aid and Kleenex are items as well as brands, for example. You might Xerox that contract, too, even though you probably aren't using a Xerox brand machine to do so. Maybe you call all soda a "coke" - and asked someone, "What flavor of coke do you w…

While not completely alien here in the UK, using brand names for generic concepts is a bit of an Americanism (perhaps because of a cultural tendency to glorify private business?)

"Band-aids" are plasters (short for sticking plasters) here, and "Kleenex" are tissues (even if they're actually kleenex branded).

Having said that, to "google" something or to "photoshop" something are both in common usage here. I suspect the difference has to do with the dominance of those products in their respective categories meaning that chances are you really will be using google or photoshop when you look something up. Although I can't imagine someone here using "google" in the context above to denote a specific, clearly non-google, search tool.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

philwelch wrote: post #41
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that is only true if you compare EU to Overtheristan but not to how free movement was sold to EU voters. My comparison is based on what people voted for which was much closer to the concept of a US citizen taking a domestic flight.

US citizens taking domestic flights have to show ID.

I did not know that. Some websites claim US nationals do not need a passport to travel domestically https://www.skyscanner.com/tips-and-inspiration/editorial/pa...

and while in 2021 europa.eu website says EU nationals do not need a passport to travel within Schengen this has already been not true before covid. Arrive at FRA or MUC or CDG and you will end up having to show your passport either at a manned booth or a machine (but the concept is no different: there is a queue and your name/geolocation entering the system ... actually even worse with the machine when they capture your biometrics)

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by trhway »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #9

It looks like the Belarus KGB was on the flight anyway - presumably the journalist was being followed/tracked: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/24/belarus-seizur...

Belarus official version is that Protasevich's girlfriend send a photo of him from the Athens airport to a guy (Anton Motolko) who is officially considered extremist or something like this by Belarus and who published the photo in his Telegram where monitoring it Belarus authorities saw the photo. If it is true, then the social media is definitely wet dream of state authorities like Stazi.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by Symbiote »

morpheuskafka wrote: post #18
fortran77 wrote: post #3

Since they were interested in this specific person, the reports that they had someone following him at the airport are probably correct. That would be the easiest/cheapest way of being sure he's there and actually on the plane.

But it also risks the agents being arrested if something went wrong (especially since their behavior was outwardly suspicious) and could be seen as a much more serious aggression since it involved a physical intrusion into the country's territory. I don't get why they even needed agents on the plane at all.

Perhaps to avoid a mistake -- they could only expect one chance at this. For a while now, far fewer intra-Schengen flights will overfly Belarus, and people in the journalist's situation will now book two-leg flights to be certain they won't cross Belarus (or Russia).

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by hef19898 »

pandem wrote: post #7
wildrhythms wrote: post #2

I'm disappointed by the top answer: it doesn't seem to make a clear distinction between 'the airport' (a gigantic swath many types of workers, private, public ownership, etc.) and the authority which actually collects and processes passenger information inside of the airport. 1. My ID is scanned at the airline-owned kiosk/desk to "check in" and print a boarding pass. I'm in the public section of the airport. (Where d…

Maybe that's how it works in America, but it doesn't mean it's the same everywhere. And given that the post was motivated by recent events in Europe it doesn't seem too relevant. In Europe when you go through security no one checks your id. In fact most of the time when you fly inside Schengen with hand luggage only no one checks your id at all. But there definitely isn't something comparable to TSA that would have t…

True, nobody is even checking your ID at all gor domestic flights. I had one business trip in Germany, including two flights, i did without my valet, and thus without any piece of ID. The eTicket was enough.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by andyjohnson0 »

morpheuskafka wrote: post #18
fortran77 wrote: post #3

Since they were interested in this specific person, the reports that they had someone following him at the airport are probably correct. That would be the easiest/cheapest way of being sure he's there and actually on the plane.

But it also risks the agents being arrested if something went wrong (especially since their behavior was outwardly suspicious) and could be seen as a much more serious aggression since it involved a physical intrusion into the country's territory. I don't get why they even needed agents on the plane at all.

> I don't get why they even needed agents on the plane at all.

To extract them from Greece (an EU country) and avoid their arrest?

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