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Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by rerx »

raxxorrax wrote: post #22
piokoch wrote: post #2

10 years ago I would be really excited, as I could expect some groundbreaking tech like search engine or revolutionary approach to something, like Gmail (no ads sent to users, great UI, hige disk space). Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from…

I think you are wrong that Gmail was revolutionary. It was a good service, but nothing special in my opinion. But yes, the license would allow Google to close the system down whenever they want. Still curious to know how Fuchsia would be a better choice for a system. Nest seems to be powered by Fuchsia...

The storage, the spam filtering, the interface were massive improvements over the status quo of the day.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by bayindirh »

IntelMiner wrote: post #13
piokoch wrote: post #2

10 years ago I would be really excited, as I could expect some groundbreaking tech like search engine or revolutionary approach to something, like Gmail (no ads sent to users, great UI, hige disk space). Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from…

To add to the pot of cynics I wonder how much of it is driven to supplant Linux's "viral" GPL-ness

Built on GPL, but not encumbered by it! It's free to take whatever direction it wants! Join the independent* revolution! /s

This PSA is proudly brought you by Google's Bureau of Prop... ehrm Truth.

*: independence neither implies nor contains freedom.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by rusk »

josteink wrote: post #28
abdulla wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're willing to give it another go, you should try it in FEMU (our fork of QEMU): https://fuchsia.dev/fuchsia-src/get-started/set_up_femu

Not to discredit the effort, but saying you've released your own fork of QEMU to run your own OS, creates an impression that you're perfectly happy to (prefer to?) create a parallel universe for yourself, with your own tools and its own ecosystem... Which will obviously all be controlled by Google. Not very good optics, IMO. If you want promote Fuschia as a useful, general purpose computing platform (and not just an…

This is how old google would have worked. Now that google is all grown up they take a more cost conscious approach. How the mighty have not so much fallen, as sunk.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by NikolaeVarius »

raxxorrax wrote: post #22
piokoch wrote: post #2

10 years ago I would be really excited, as I could expect some groundbreaking tech like search engine or revolutionary approach to something, like Gmail (no ads sent to users, great UI, hige disk space). Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from…

I think you are wrong that Gmail was revolutionary. It was a good service, but nothing special in my opinion. But yes, the license would allow Google to close the system down whenever they want. Still curious to know how Fuchsia would be a better choice for a system. Nest seems to be powered by Fuchsia...

Its so weird how fast history is forgotten. Gmail was a galactic leap forward in terms of mail clients. At school there was a grey market to sell gmail invites at 20 dollars per

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by rusk »

getcrunk wrote: post #6

This is exciting to see (in a neutral way, I'm not rooting for it) because I wonder how large fuchsia will grow and if it will contend with Linux. Why wouldn't Google want to push containers running it's brand spanking new os without 30+ years of cruft on gcp. And if it has performance/security why wouldn't developers start moving over.

> without 30+ years of cruft

AKA learned experience

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by zibzab »

IntelMiner wrote: post #13
piokoch wrote: post #2

10 years ago I would be really excited, as I could expect some groundbreaking tech like search engine or revolutionary approach to something, like Gmail (no ads sent to users, great UI, hige disk space). Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from…

To add to the pot of cynics I wonder how much of it is driven to supplant Linux's "viral" GPL-ness

Google open source engagement was already "throw over the wall" style before this.

I assume things will only get worse now.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by KingOfCoders »

raxxorrax wrote: post #22
piokoch wrote: post #2

10 years ago I would be really excited, as I could expect some groundbreaking tech like search engine or revolutionary approach to something, like Gmail (no ads sent to users, great UI, hige disk space). Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from…

I think you are wrong that Gmail was revolutionary. It was a good service, but nothing special in my opinion. But yes, the license would allow Google to close the system down whenever they want. Still curious to know how Fuchsia would be a better choice for a system. Nest seems to be powered by Fuchsia...

Spam blocking was on another level, I've managed setups with e.g. Spamassassin (?) back then and Gmail was something else.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by josefx »

bayindirh wrote: post #32
IntelMiner wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To add to the pot of cynics I wonder how much of it is driven to supplant Linux's "viral" GPL-ness

Built on GPL, but not encumbered by it! It's free to take whatever direction it wants! Join the independent* revolution! /s This PSA is proudly brought you by Google's Bureau of Prop... ehrm Truth. *: independence neither implies nor contains freedom.

Or: "Join the independent" is a slogan of the open handset alliance, users are required to install Google Play and related services on all applicable devices.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by nicoburns »

cookguyruffles wrote: post #24
nicoburns wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux

This is the correct answer. Do not allow a subtly different technical design distract you from the largest switcheroo here: this is a single-vendor enterprise OS delivered under the guise of open source, it comes with all the trappings of a single-vendor enterprise OS. Let's not be too quick to forget when Android first started out, all the idealism about the wonders of a free software mobile OS. A decade later, it's…

Yes, although at least both Android and Fuchsia are released under genuinely open source licenses, even if they development model isn't open.
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