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Drunk as a Lord: the Regency Bottle Men

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I found out recently from my dad that one of his business associates/friend is on the list for a liver transplant due to liver cirrhosis. When my dad found out he couldn't believe that a person for who he swears never drank more than 2 glasses of wine at a dinner, was apparently high functioning alcoholic. The man in question seems to have fooled a lot of people and he certainly was high functioning as he managed to operate 2 business while having a wide range of friends without anyone noticing (he seemed fit for his age as well). Apparently it's the hard liquor in small doses that he "used" and that eventually got to him...

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> It took another fifty years for the definition of a gentlemen to change to exclude people who got roaring drunk and pissed in the fireplace in the name of hospitality.

On the contrary, providing the above is done with panache it would pass quite well here..... *Never* whilst wearing White Tie though.

I'm British if you hadn't guessed :-)

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> It took another fifty years for the definition of a gentlemen to change to exclude people who got roaring drunk and pissed in the fireplace in the name of hospitality. On the contrary, providing the above is done with panache it would pass quite well here..... *Never* whilst wearing White Tie though. I'm British if you hadn't guessed :-)

I concur wholeheartedly!

"Never trust a man who doesn't drink".

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That "Five Bottle Man" quote from the Morning Chronicle might be tongue-in-cheek but I'm pretty sure it's about "Cinque Ports Volunteers", not "Cinq Port Volunteers", which doesn't refer to the drink but rather the Cinque Ports, a group of coastal towns in Kent.

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I found out recently from my dad that one of his business associates/friend is on the list for a liver transplant due to liver cirrhosis. When my dad found out he couldn't believe that a person for who he swears never drank more than 2 glasses of wine at a dinner, was apparently high functioning alcoholic. The man in question seems to have fooled a lot of people and he certainly was high functioning as he managed to…

I am no MD - but I am curious, perhaps someone who has a clue can comment on what I am going to say.

I believe that Liver Cirrhosis is caused by scaring due to fat being retained in the liver. I understand that fat is retained when the liver is metabolizing alcohol, and that if this is a short term thing then the liver can expel the fat and no scaring occurs. But if you persistently force your liver to metabolize alcohol scars appear and this is irreversible - the scarred part of the liver cannot recover and provides no function from this point.

My question is, what is the amount of time that you should leave for the liver to have cleared alcohol and how long would it take for fat to be expelled?

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> It took another fifty years for the definition of a gentlemen to change to exclude people who got roaring drunk and pissed in the fireplace in the name of hospitality. On the contrary, providing the above is done with panache it would pass quite well here..... *Never* whilst wearing White Tie though. I'm British if you hadn't guessed :-)

I concur wholeheartedly! "Never trust a man who doesn't drink".

yup - they do clever things like reading contracts before signing them. shucch a booooarrrr!

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I found out recently from my dad that one of his business associates/friend is on the list for a liver transplant due to liver cirrhosis. When my dad found out he couldn't believe that a person for who he swears never drank more than 2 glasses of wine at a dinner, was apparently high functioning alcoholic. The man in question seems to have fooled a lot of people and he certainly was high functioning as he managed to…

I am no MD - but I am curious, perhaps someone who has a clue can comment on what I am going to say. I believe that Liver Cirrhosis is caused by scaring due to fat being retained in the liver. I understand that fat is retained when the liver is metabolizing alcohol, and that if this is a short term thing then the liver can expel the fat and no scaring occurs. But if you persistently force your liver to metabolize alc…

Not an MD, but in my experience this seems a question that MDs don't like to answer - for good reason. (I.e. if I understood your question correctly)

There is so much individuality involved (genetics, history, liver health in general), and so much "it depends" (amount of alcohol, size of liver, food intake, ...) that you cannot possibly stick a definitive number to that question.

Also, the question seems dangerous: What are you going to do with an answer? Drink to a certain limit, in good conscience?

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I found out recently from my dad that one of his business associates/friend is on the list for a liver transplant due to liver cirrhosis. When my dad found out he couldn't believe that a person for who he swears never drank more than 2 glasses of wine at a dinner, was apparently high functioning alcoholic. The man in question seems to have fooled a lot of people and he certainly was high functioning as he managed to…

I am no MD - but I am curious, perhaps someone who has a clue can comment on what I am going to say. I believe that Liver Cirrhosis is caused by scaring due to fat being retained in the liver. I understand that fat is retained when the liver is metabolizing alcohol, and that if this is a short term thing then the liver can expel the fat and no scaring occurs. But if you persistently force your liver to metabolize alc…

Not a medical professional either, but I once heard that keeping 2 consecutive days out of every week alcohol free as sufficient for preventing liver cirrhosis.

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I found out recently from my dad that one of his business associates/friend is on the list for a liver transplant due to liver cirrhosis. When my dad found out he couldn't believe that a person for who he swears never drank more than 2 glasses of wine at a dinner, was apparently high functioning alcoholic. The man in question seems to have fooled a lot of people and he certainly was high functioning as he managed to…

I am no MD - but I am curious, perhaps someone who has a clue can comment on what I am going to say. I believe that Liver Cirrhosis is caused by scaring due to fat being retained in the liver. I understand that fat is retained when the liver is metabolizing alcohol, and that if this is a short term thing then the liver can expel the fat and no scaring occurs. But if you persistently force your liver to metabolize alc…

I‘ve heard that 6 weeks without a drop of alcohol should be sufficient for the liver to recover. But it is very important to very strictly not consume alcohol. Just reducing alcohol a little bit will help nothing.

The NHS is of the opinion that 2 weeks suffice.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/alcohol-related-liver-disease-...

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