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Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by abdulla »

mbStavola wrote: post #18

Around December or January I tried to get Fuchsia going in QEMU to play around a bit and maybe contribute back some code, but nothing quite worked as I expected. Based on this experience I had figured they were still years off from shipping but I'm pleasantly surprised to see that I was (obviously) wrong. Congrats to the team and looking forward to seeing it work as intended!

If you're willing to give it another go, you should try it in FEMU (our fork of QEMU): https://fuchsia.dev/fuchsia-src/get-started/set_up_femu

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by raxxorrax »

piokoch wrote: post #2

10 years ago I would be really excited, as I could expect some groundbreaking tech like search engine or revolutionary approach to something, like Gmail (no ads sent to users, great UI, hige disk space). Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from…

I think you are wrong that Gmail was revolutionary. It was a good service, but nothing special in my opinion.

But yes, the license would allow Google to close the system down whenever they want. Still curious to know how Fuchsia would be a better choice for a system.

Nest seems to be powered by Fuchsia...

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by greatgib »

abdulla wrote: post #21
mbStavola wrote: post #18

Around December or January I tried to get Fuchsia going in QEMU to play around a bit and maybe contribute back some code, but nothing quite worked as I expected. Based on this experience I had figured they were still years off from shipping but I'm pleasantly surprised to see that I was (obviously) wrong. Congrats to the team and looking forward to seeing it work as intended!

If you're willing to give it another go, you should try it in FEMU (our fork of QEMU): https://fuchsia.dev/fuchsia-src/get-started/set_up_femu

Something should be particularly wrong with the project if you have to use your own fork of qemu...

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by cookguyruffles »

nicoburns wrote: post #15
rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #3

What's the community-driven alternative?

Linux

This is the correct answer. Do not allow a subtly different technical design distract you from the largest switcheroo here: this is a single-vendor enterprise OS delivered under the guise of open source, it comes with all the trappings of a single-vendor enterprise OS.

Let's not be too quick to forget when Android first started out, all the idealism about the wonders of a free software mobile OS. A decade later, it's almost impossible to buy an Android phone that hasn't been strongarmed (no pun intended) into including Play Services, Chrome and Gmail, often including through threats to the manufacturer's unrelated businesses.

We're older and wiser, avoid this garbage like the plague, and don't fall for all the same old tricks.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by Tomte »

raxxorrax wrote: post #22
piokoch wrote: post #2

10 years ago I would be really excited, as I could expect some groundbreaking tech like search engine or revolutionary approach to something, like Gmail (no ads sent to users, great UI, hige disk space). Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from…

I think you are wrong that Gmail was revolutionary. It was a good service, but nothing special in my opinion. But yes, the license would allow Google to close the system down whenever they want. Still curious to know how Fuchsia would be a better choice for a system. Nest seems to be powered by Fuchsia...

A gigabyte mailbox space was revolutionary when many competitors only gave 20 megabytes for free (and you could pay and upgrade to 150 megabytes or so).

That was an example where a simple change in a number turned into a qualitatively different service.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by getcrunk »

IntelMiner wrote: post #13
piokoch wrote: post #2

10 years ago I would be really excited, as I could expect some groundbreaking tech like search engine or revolutionary approach to something, like Gmail (no ads sent to users, great UI, hige disk space). Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from…

To add to the pot of cynics I wonder how much of it is driven to supplant Linux's "viral" GPL-ness

Right on the money! Interesting/scary times ahead. But maybe there will be unexpected gifts in the form of open source dev around zircon

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by throwaway59229 »

abdulla wrote: post #21
mbStavola wrote: post #18

Around December or January I tried to get Fuchsia going in QEMU to play around a bit and maybe contribute back some code, but nothing quite worked as I expected. Based on this experience I had figured they were still years off from shipping but I'm pleasantly surprised to see that I was (obviously) wrong. Congrats to the team and looking forward to seeing it work as intended!

If you're willing to give it another go, you should try it in FEMU (our fork of QEMU): https://fuchsia.dev/fuchsia-src/get-started/set_up_femu

Why did Google choose to fork QEMU?

I had a brief look at the setup information and there’s nothing that makes it clear why there’s yet another piece of highly Google-specific (though presumably open source) software that people would need to learn to use while they learn about Fuschia.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by josteink »

abdulla wrote: post #21
mbStavola wrote: post #18

Around December or January I tried to get Fuchsia going in QEMU to play around a bit and maybe contribute back some code, but nothing quite worked as I expected. Based on this experience I had figured they were still years off from shipping but I'm pleasantly surprised to see that I was (obviously) wrong. Congrats to the team and looking forward to seeing it work as intended!

If you're willing to give it another go, you should try it in FEMU (our fork of QEMU): https://fuchsia.dev/fuchsia-src/get-started/set_up_femu

Not to discredit the effort, but saying you've released your own fork of QEMU to run your own OS, creates an impression that you're perfectly happy to (prefer to?) create a parallel universe for yourself, with your own tools and its own ecosystem... Which will obviously all be controlled by Google. Not very good optics, IMO.

If you want promote Fuschia as a useful, general purpose computing platform (and not just an attempt for Google to avoid the GPL), you probably want to work upstream with existing projects to improve support generally instead of creating your own suite of forks.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by raggi »

throwaway59229 wrote: post #27
abdulla wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're willing to give it another go, you should try it in FEMU (our fork of QEMU): https://fuchsia.dev/fuchsia-src/get-started/set_up_femu

Why did Google choose to fork QEMU? I had a brief look at the setup information and there’s nothing that makes it clear why there’s yet another piece of highly Google-specific (though presumably open source) software that people would need to learn to use while they learn about Fuschia.

FEMU is really AEMU, it forked from QEMU many years ago for a variety of reasons.

Today this configuration offers Vulkan support, which will hopefully make it's way back to QEMU eventually.

We use both QEMU and FEMU in our work, if you checkout Fuchsia you will find prebuilts of both in //prebuilt. QEMU provides broader control over hardware and broader emulation features, often useful to the kernel and driver teams. FEMU provides Vulkan graphics, more useful for teams working on GUI applications.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by blackoil »

Tomte wrote: post #25
raxxorrax wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are wrong that Gmail was revolutionary. It was a good service, but nothing special in my opinion. But yes, the license would allow Google to close the system down whenever they want. Still curious to know how Fuchsia would be a better choice for a system. Nest seems to be powered by Fuchsia...

A gigabyte mailbox space was revolutionary when many competitors only gave 20 megabytes for free (and you could pay and upgrade to 150 megabytes or so). That was an example where a simple change in a number turned into a qualitatively different service.

IIRC Hotmail was only 2MB at the time of announcement.
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