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Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by codemusings »

throwaway1959 wrote: post #7

I do not think that the current crime situation in San Francisco appeared by some fluke or an accident. Specific policies were put in place by the progressive government officials and progressive people in San Francisco voted for these policies. I think is a cautionary tale for the rest of the country on what happens when progressive utopia gets voted in.

Yeah. That's the problem. Might not be related at all to the SF housing situation, insane rents and the fact that the US still has no universal health care insurance. You know. Stuff people need to survive and not be homeless.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by ultimoo »

Strange to see this happen at Crissy Field, which is decidedly in the "nicer part" of the city. Car break ins are common at the Palace of Fine Arts (about a mile away from where this incident happened), but most people would consider Crissy Field as a relatively safe place in the city where it's common to let your guard down (unlike at say Union Square).

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Post by olivermarks »

diob wrote: post #215
pvg wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

half US homeless are in California with migrants arriving daily crime in SF has absolutely exploded These don't seem to be reflected in easily googleable stats https://www.usich.gov/tools-for-action/map/#fn[]=1400&fn[]=2... https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/crim...

Thanks for actually linking to stats. I've been to San Francisco, it's not as bleak as the anecdotes folks constantly try to put on it. One of my favorite cities to visit.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/audit-california-track-h...

There are all sorts of stats and data out there. finding accurate information is very hard. Most counties have HMIS systems but many are not well maintained which tends to lead to very inaccurate data reporting.

There is also the issue that the moment a person arrives in California and sits on the pavement they are considered a 'resident' by many of the data capture folks, many of whom are pursuing ideological agendas.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by dannyw »

kstenerud wrote: post #130
olivermarks wrote: post #30

SF District Attorney Chesa Boudin ran for office in November 2019 focusing his campaign on ending mass incarceration with restorative justice models, rather than punitive incarceral methods. Since then crime in SF has absolutely exploded, fuelled by proposition 47 which reduced stealing less than $900 day to a misdemeanor. Add in a massive opioid crisis and the result is a rapidly growing crisis of shoplifting, petty…

And the interesting thing is, the laws are even still more draconian than in Western European countries, booking processes more traumatic, prison terms longer, prison conditions an order of magnitude worse, and supervised release much more onerous. And yet Western Europe doesn't suffer anything even close to San Francisco's crime levels.

Probably because the police actually investigate cases in Western Europe.

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Post by chrischen »

threwawasy1228 wrote: post #173
chrischen wrote: post #112

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Nobody comes to live in SF because of those things you experienced. They come for the sweet VC money, jobs at Facebook and Google. And likewise, criminals come because that money exists there too.

There is VC money in NYC, Chicago, Boston, and Seattle, and I can work at Google or Facebook from most of those cities. I will never move to SF in the condition it is in, and I'm sure many other people feel the same. These opportunities exist elsewhere.

So... why did the people move to SF? To step in poop? Those jobs exist elsewhere, but not at the numbers they exist at in SF and the surrounding area. Most young people who move to The Bay Area would then end up moving to SF because it's the closest "real" city.

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Post by anonAndOn »

jollybean wrote: post #175
anonAndOn wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never left the Palisades, have you? SF has tons of property crime but much less of the violence you'd find in hellholes like St. Louis, Missouri or Baltimore, Maryland.[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

Ok, so SF doesn't have the same amount of murder as the most rough and ugly ghettos in the Western World? That's good and true, but I'm not sure it helps make an argument.

The difference is in the level of violence. The property crime is ubiquitous in SF, but it's largely crimes of opportunity. Having something stolen when nobody is looking is very common while being mugged (at knifepoint or gunpoint) is quite rare. I once directly confronted a would be bike thief and he merely walked away. I would not recommend such confrontation in other cities where the possibility of violence was greater.

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Post by plank_time »

devoutsalsa wrote: post #139
nomel wrote: post #119

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I've peed in a bush in SF. I didn't want to, but that's what happens when you have humans with bladders and zero public restrooms. I tried to not pee in the bush. I asked around, went to a few grab and go restaurants, a gas station, but none had a public bathroom. My only option was to wait in line and pay cover to get into a bar, wait in line at the high end restaurants in the area, drive across town to Denny's for…

My trick is to walk into a random shop, drop some change in the tip jar, and then ask to use the restroom. I’ve never been turned down. Sure, I don’t want to pay to pee, but they have to clean it at their own expense, so I don’t mind chipping in.

Hotels, hospitals and restaurants with long waiting lines.

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Post by dude187 »

edrxty wrote: post #37
throwaway1959 wrote: post #7

I do not think that the current crime situation in San Francisco appeared by some fluke or an accident. Specific policies were put in place by the progressive government officials and progressive people in San Francisco voted for these policies. I think is a cautionary tale for the rest of the country on what happens when progressive utopia gets voted in.

"Progressive Bad" isn't really the takeaway here. It turns out nuance is important. Questionable policies combined with a complex socioeconomic situation due to decades of perverse incentives isn't, in fact, an optimal strategy of governance.

What progressive policies would have helped?

Also, San Francisco is pretty much the quintessential example of such policies getting voted in place without challenge. So maybe you could argue that certain progressive policies were enacted that hurt so bad they significantly outweighed those that would have actually made things better. If that's the case, which progressive policies do you feel led to this situation?

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Post by devoutsalsa »

sneak wrote: post #226
narrator wrote: post #184

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If they had a charge for using the toilets, that would keep severely mentally ill homeless people and junkies from using them, so you are partially right.

...just as they are kept from using them now, along with everyone else, too.

True. In fact...

An elderly woman got evicted from the Tendernob apartment building that I lived in. Every night around 5p, she’d walk into the building, right past security, and into the bathroom. She’d lock the door and spend the entire night in there.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by asdff »

aronowb14 wrote: post #73

Is anybody else getting tired of the constant stream of inflammatory posts ragging on San Francisco or the Bay Area? I feel like I've been seeing one every one or two days that make it to the top of HN. These types of posts just seem to fit into this ongoing narrative that SF (and relatedly, silicon valley), are all falling apart due to poor governance. It's beginning to feel like a strong echo chamber in here. What…

People are rightfully upset and impassioned about issues that directly affect their daily lives. I'm pretty pissed off my local politicians have proceeded to kick the can down the road on the same issues articles were being written about 10 years ago. My 'progressive' councilmember ignores my emails asking about when the bike lane network they planned a decade ago is getting implemented in our district, and seemingly I have zero recourse beyond pounding sand because this was supposed to be the transit oriented candidate (big lie, more status quo, and now they are an incumbent and likely there for years).

It seems like there is only a solution presented when there is already a plan for who the contract will go to, when it comes to everything from treating the mentally ill or sheltering homeless to building transit and funding local schools. I'm sick of having a public government that works to enrich the private few, and abandon its mandate of serving the public in the process. I don't blame others for feeling the same and posting on these issues on discussion boards. I certainly find solidarity visiting these threads.

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