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I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by DeRock »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #185
pvg wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

half US homeless are in California with migrants arriving daily crime in SF has absolutely exploded These don't seem to be reflected in easily googleable stats https://www.usich.gov/tools-for-action/map/#fn[]=1400&fn[]=2... https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/crim...

Devil’s advocate: a lot of crime in San Francisco isn’t reported. For example, the case mentioned in the article.

The article mentions his conversation with the police, so assume it was reported.

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Post by asdff »

axbytg wrote: post #128
raverbashing wrote: post #107

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It's funny how SF has turned into a daylight sociological experiment. Remove enforcement of several crimes and see it have areas reminiscent of 3rd world countries in a matter of years. (But don't expect this to be in any sociological studies, scholars will still blame "lack of education", "lack of opportunities", etc, while those have a role to play, the major factor that changed here is pretty obvious)

> see it turn into a 3rd world country in a matter of years This is just a wild thing to claim.

How is it not? You have ultra rich living above and driving around people living in tarps on the street just like what you see in corrupted "third world" places around the world. It is so demoralizing living near a homeless encampment and seeing how people live every day for years, and seeing nothing done to improve their situation. No other first world country I know is like that. First world countries have governments that support their citizens even at the lowest rung of the ladder. What we have is a third world oligarchy, where politicians listen to powerful people looking to personally enrich themselves first and foremost, and if something happens to help the common man rather than hurt them it is usually happenstance, or highly diluted from the original aim to the point of being inconsequential. There's only action when there is profit motive. It's corrupt.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by blululu »

pvg wrote: post #96
olivermarks wrote: post #30

SF District Attorney Chesa Boudin ran for office in November 2019 focusing his campaign on ending mass incarceration with restorative justice models, rather than punitive incarceral methods. Since then crime in SF has absolutely exploded, fuelled by proposition 47 which reduced stealing less than $900 day to a misdemeanor. Add in a massive opioid crisis and the result is a rapidly growing crisis of shoplifting, petty…

half US homeless are in California with migrants arriving daily crime in SF has absolutely exploded These don't seem to be reflected in easily googleable stats https://www.usich.gov/tools-for-action/map/#fn[]=1400&fn[]=2... https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/crim...

I really appreciate this post. This is exactly why I thumb through HackerNews comments. From the look of it, CA has ~26% of the nation’s homeless population.

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Post by josephcsible »

yupper32 wrote: post #217
insert_coin wrote: post #156

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> SF has massive neighborhood diversity as far as living situations go. Yeah, the downtown and tourist areas suck. The fact that you needed to say that says a lot. While describing most cities of the world, most third world country cities of the world, you would never even mention the word feces, much less defend its presence on the streets.

And in most cities I haven't had to bribe a cop, like the one time I went to Mexico. And in most cities I haven't heard the result of an acid attack outside of my hotel lobby, like one of the times I've visited London. I'd take feces over those examples any day. And yet, I'm not going to shit on those places, because I was a tourist . I get that some places, especially some tourist and downtown areas, are more danger…

Comparing acid attacks in London to San Francisco's problems is like comparing plane crashes to car crashes. The former is worse per occurrence and gets more attention, but the latter is much, much more common and so worse overall.

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Post by stingrae »

aronowb14 wrote: post #73

Is anybody else getting tired of the constant stream of inflammatory posts ragging on San Francisco or the Bay Area? I feel like I've been seeing one every one or two days that make it to the top of HN. These types of posts just seem to fit into this ongoing narrative that SF (and relatedly, silicon valley), are all falling apart due to poor governance. It's beginning to feel like a strong echo chamber in here. What…

Maybe the goal it to get people to actually research the choices and show up to vote. I'm tired of the hit articles but also of the politicians stalling any changes.

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Post by sneak »

narrator wrote: post #184
sneak wrote: post #176

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The bathroom problem is because there is a ban on charging for toilets, nothing more, nothing less. Most businesses would be happy to have another (minor) profit center, and most people would be happy to pay. There used to be lots available for a small fee. Instead, we get no public toilets at all because it is illegal to charge, and businesses decline to operate them at a loss. Your description is of the symptom, no…

If they had a charge for using the toilets, that would keep severely mentally ill homeless people and junkies from using them, so you are partially right.

...just as they are kept from using them now, along with everyone else, too.

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Post by dannyw »

DeRock wrote: post #221
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Devil’s advocate: a lot of crime in San Francisco isn’t reported. For example, the case mentioned in the article.

The article mentions his conversation with the police, so assume it was reported.

Not necessarily. At least here, when a police officer tells me they don't have the resources to go after something, they don't even ask for any of my details (nor seem to care) so it's hard to imagine they're recorded.

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Post by yesenadam »

sneak wrote: post #176
narrator wrote: post #140

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The S.F bathroom problem is that heroin addicts go into bathrooms, they lock the door, they pass out, and die or have a psychotic break and break everything they can or smear shit all over the walls and then the store is liable for the wrongful death or they have to clean it up.

The bathroom problem is because there is a ban on charging for toilets, nothing more, nothing less. Most businesses would be happy to have another (minor) profit center, and most people would be happy to pay. There used to be lots available for a small fee. Instead, we get no public toilets at all because it is illegal to charge, and businesses decline to operate them at a loss. Your description is of the symptom, no…

Australia here, Sydney. I would have assumed free public toilets are a government service, like they are here, in parks and train stations and dotted through the inner city on main streets. Are there no public toilets in the US?

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Post by almost_usual »

insert_coin wrote: post #199
almost_usual wrote: post #31

SF is a weird city crime wise, lots of property crime and theft. Occasional shootings but nothing like a rust belt war zone city. San Francisco’s crime is mostly inconvenient for rich people, that’s why it’s in the news. St. Louis is the 13th most dangerous city in the world but you won’t hear about it. https://www.statista.com/statistics/243797/ranking-of-the-mo...

So you are ok with stealing if the victims are "rich"?

No, what I’m saying is on the spectrum of crime in the US it’s insignificant.

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Post by [deleted] »

olivermarks wrote: post #30

SF District Attorney Chesa Boudin ran for office in November 2019 focusing his campaign on ending mass incarceration with restorative justice models, rather than punitive incarceral methods. Since then crime in SF has absolutely exploded, fuelled by proposition 47 which reduced stealing less than $900 day to a misdemeanor. Add in a massive opioid crisis and the result is a rapidly growing crisis of shoplifting, petty…

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