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Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by wearywanderer » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:25 AM UTC

MrFlynn wrote: post #103

olivermarks wrote: post #30

SF District Attorney Chesa Boudin ran for office in November 2019 focusing his campaign on ending mass incarceration with restorative justice models, rather than punitive incarceral methods. Since then crime in SF has absolutely exploded, fuelled by proposition 47 which reduced stealing less than $900 day to a misdemeanor. Add in a massive opioid crisis and the result is a rapidly growing crisis of shoplifting, petty…

> Since then crime in SF has absolutely exploded. This is sort of misleading. Burglaries, motor vehicle thefts, and homicides went up, but all other crimes went down. Specifically in the case of homicides, there were 7 more compared to 2019. > I have never seen it this bad. Crime is still at an all time low in SF. The rate of crimes has roughly remained static for the better part of two decades. The increased number…

> Burglaries, motor vehicle thefts, and homicides went up, but all other crimes went down.

...but other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by chrischen » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:26 AM UTC

psychomugs wrote: post #65

It was my last day in SF after a semester-long internship, and I decided to take photos around downtown. I was passing through Union Square on my way home when I saw a guy weaving through traffic, with two people chasing after him and yelling at him to give something back. I instinctively started booking it after him, caught up to him in the middle of a food truck area, grabbed him by his hoodie collar, and pinned hi…

Nobody comes to live in SF because of those things you experienced. They come for the sweet VC money, jobs at Facebook and Google. And likewise, criminals come because that money exists there too.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by narrator » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:26 AM UTC

dheera wrote: post #98

olivermarks wrote: post #30

SF District Attorney Chesa Boudin ran for office in November 2019 focusing his campaign on ending mass incarceration with restorative justice models, rather than punitive incarceral methods. Since then crime in SF has absolutely exploded, fuelled by proposition 47 which reduced stealing less than $900 day to a misdemeanor. Add in a massive opioid crisis and the result is a rapidly growing crisis of shoplifting, petty…

I've always thought that an honestly useful product would be some kind of theft deterrent device that you either attach to your car, or attach to your camera equipment, and it detects the car window getting smashed or the tripod getting moved out of range of a beacon in the owner's pocket. If triggered it should spray a combination of fart spray, glitter, pepper spray, honey, flour, feathers, ink, in all directions.…

Traps to defend property are very illegal.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by almost_usual » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:26 AM UTC

ajmurmann wrote: post #63

almost_usual wrote: post #31

SF is a weird city crime wise, lots of property crime and theft. Occasional shootings but nothing like a rust belt war zone city. San Francisco’s crime is mostly inconvenient for rich people, that’s why it’s in the news. St. Louis is the 13th most dangerous city in the world but you won’t hear about it. https://www.statista.com/statistics/243797/ranking-of-the-mo...

The NIMBY cost of living problem is definitely huge add little annoys me more. I do wonder though if that's truly the cause for the high homelessness. Where are the homeless from? Are the from SF or other parts of CA or even came there from other states because of good weather and comparatively soft treatment they receive in SF? Genuine question. I've on several occasions tried to find statistics on this, but failed.

I would imagine they are from all over the US.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by pmoriarty » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:26 AM UTC

84fryb75 wrote: post #9

In early 2020, before lockdown, I visited San Francisco as a tourist with my wife. We took a wrong turn at a book store and wound up on a street covered in feces. The next street was fine. Then on the next, we watched a homeless woman shoot up on the street. Then a supercar pulled into a garage. I'm not the best traveled, I'll admit, so I can't compare SF to foreign cities. I'm a simple hillbilly from the Southeast,…

"The homeless are way more aggressive than they are in Chicago or Texan cities. The feces. The crime."

So where do homeless people go to the bathroom in Chicago and Texas?

In SF most businesses won't let homeless people (ie. obviously poor people and/or people with severe mental issues) use their bathrooms, and even if they did, most of the city closes down at night, so there's nowhere to go.

SF has some public bathrooms, but they're very few and far between, and if you're homeless, possibly suffering from mental issues and/or on drugs or drunk you're not going to be going on long treks through the city just to use a bathroom.. not to mention that sometimes you just have to go immediately (and the need can be exacerbated by being sick or drunk or on drugs).

So, again, where are these people supposed to go?

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by lordnacho » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:26 AM UTC

84fryb75 wrote: post #9

In early 2020, before lockdown, I visited San Francisco as a tourist with my wife. We took a wrong turn at a book store and wound up on a street covered in feces. The next street was fine. Then on the next, we watched a homeless woman shoot up on the street. Then a supercar pulled into a garage. I'm not the best traveled, I'll admit, so I can't compare SF to foreign cities. I'm a simple hillbilly from the Southeast,…

I'm also a non resident, but with connections in SF. Thus I've been there maybe a month of my life. It's the strangest place I've ever been to:

- I would reliably meet someone who was talking to themselves, out loud, every day. Not an exaggeration. I think my combined count of seeing this in my other 40 years is something like 5.

- A guy pooped in front of me. Just pulled his pants down, revealing more pants, pulled those down, then pooped. Didn't seem to care.

- I bought too much to eat at a Mexican place. As I was paying at the till, a barefoot lady walked in shouting something incoherent, went to my leftovers, and poured them into a plastic bag she was carrying. Then she left.

- Parks that are full of homeless people. Tent cities right in the middle of town.

- All this is mixed in with stunning views, beautiful homes, and normal looking parks.

It's not normal, something needs to be done about the awfulness.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by olivermarks » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:28 AM UTC

Gimpei wrote: post #88

olivermarks wrote: post #30

SF District Attorney Chesa Boudin ran for office in November 2019 focusing his campaign on ending mass incarceration with restorative justice models, rather than punitive incarceral methods. Since then crime in SF has absolutely exploded, fuelled by proposition 47 which reduced stealing less than $900 day to a misdemeanor. Add in a massive opioid crisis and the result is a rapidly growing crisis of shoplifting, petty…

Crime has exploded across the US since the start of COVID, not just SF. So I'm not convinced Chesa is to blame. Which isn't too say I'm a big fan of his either. Homelessness is indeed a problem, but according to the biannual survey, most of the unhoused are from the bay area. This suggested the crisis is the result of skyrocketing rents and the steady disappearance of SROs. Yet another thing we can thank Nimbys for.…

The biannual survey point in time counts of homeless across California are so wildly inaccurate and skewed there have been grand jury investigations and findings in counties such as California. There is a giant 'homeless industrial complex' that essentially operates on a model of the ore homeless to 'serve' the more money they ingest, buying motels at way over market rate as 'homes' for the seriously mentally ill and substance abuse casualties as if this will magically solve their issues. Bus therapy and general migration to where the grass is greenest is fueling this, along with very lenient drug law.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by Cookingboy » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:28 AM UTC

kenneth wrote: post #94

Cookingboy wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh he absolutely knows it's bad policy, however he also knows it wins votes from people in San Francisco. The problem is a large numbers of voters in SF don't realize it's bad policy, and maybe a bigger problem would be why are district attorneys elected positions in the first place?

Even if they weren't, people would elect a Mayor on a progressive no-prosecuting-crime platform who'd then hire an awful DA… The problem isn't with the position of DA, it's with "progressive" voters.

I consider myself liberal, but I agree with you, the California/SF branch of progressivism are extremely toxic.

Much of the platform is based on feelings and ideology instead of facts and problem solving, but it manages to even be worse than the right wing counterpart somehow because it comes served with a side dish of "holier and smarter than thou!"

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by nomel » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:28 AM UTC

devoutsalsa wrote: post #55

84fryb75 wrote: post #9

In early 2020, before lockdown, I visited San Francisco as a tourist with my wife. We took a wrong turn at a book store and wound up on a street covered in feces. The next street was fine. Then on the next, we watched a homeless woman shoot up on the street. Then a supercar pulled into a garage. I'm not the best traveled, I'll admit, so I can't compare SF to foreign cities. I'm a simple hillbilly from the Southeast,…

Yeah, I lived in the Tendernob neighborhood of SF for almost 10 years. I’d always pass by a lot of what you’re talking about... - At one point I did a lot of walking there and to keep myself entertained I started tracking PPM (poops per mile) - one day I walked by a woman peeing between two cars, and she noticed me & apologized. Later I walked back that same route and saw her again. She thanked me for not yelling at…

I've peed in a bush in SF. I didn't want to, but that's what happens when you have humans with bladders and zero public restrooms.

I tried to not pee in the bush. I asked around, went to a few grab and go restaurants, a gas station, but none had a public bathroom. My only option was to wait in line and pay cover to get into a bar, wait in line at the high end restaurants in the area, drive across town to Denny's for a cheaper pee, or drive 45 minutes to a saner city. I peed all over that bush, with a grin, as a fuck you to the idiocy of whoever decided to force me, and everyone else, to do it.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by rahimnathwani » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:28 AM UTC

jypepin wrote: post #27

There are a lot of homeless and SF is indeed in shit hole in a lot of areas, but I don't understand people who say they wouldn't visit because it's not safe or whatever. Looking at crime rate rankings [0], SF is pretty low compared to other US cities both in terms or violant crimes and property crimes. What am I missing? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

If a city stops prosecuting crime, do you think people are:

A) more likely to report crimes, or

B) less likely?

How does this affect crime statistics?