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Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by dragonwriter » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:24 AM UTC

chrischen wrote: post #89

FYI this type of stuff was happening in SF well before Chesa Boudin. An SF local news crew was robbed (and shot) while reporting in Oakland ( https://deadline.com/2019/02/san-francisco-news-crew-robbed-... ). More recently an SF news crew was robbed while reporting on car breakins, granted this was during Boudin's tenure. Maybe Chesa Boudin's policies aren't helping, but whatever we had before wasn't working either,…

> FYI this type of stuff was happening in SF well before Chesa Boudin. An SF local news crew was robbed (and shot) while reporting in Oakland

That’s...not an example on anything happening in SF. It’s an example of things happening outside of SF to people working out of SF.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:24 AM UTC

ajmurmann wrote: post #63

almost_usual wrote: post #31

SF is a weird city crime wise, lots of property crime and theft. Occasional shootings but nothing like a rust belt war zone city. San Francisco’s crime is mostly inconvenient for rich people, that’s why it’s in the news. St. Louis is the 13th most dangerous city in the world but you won’t hear about it. https://www.statista.com/statistics/243797/ranking-of-the-mo...

The NIMBY cost of living problem is definitely huge add little annoys me more. I do wonder though if that's truly the cause for the high homelessness. Where are the homeless from? Are the from SF or other parts of CA or even came there from other states because of good weather and comparatively soft treatment they receive in SF? Genuine question. I've on several occasions tried to find statistics on this, but failed.

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Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by MrFlynn » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:24 AM UTC

olivermarks wrote: post #30

SF District Attorney Chesa Boudin ran for office in November 2019 focusing his campaign on ending mass incarceration with restorative justice models, rather than punitive incarceral methods. Since then crime in SF has absolutely exploded, fuelled by proposition 47 which reduced stealing less than $900 day to a misdemeanor. Add in a massive opioid crisis and the result is a rapidly growing crisis of shoplifting, petty…

> Since then crime in SF has absolutely exploded.

This is sort of misleading. Burglaries, motor vehicle thefts, and homicides went up, but all other crimes went down. Specifically in the case of homicides, there were 7 more compared to 2019.

> I have never seen it this bad.

Crime is still at an all time low in SF. The rate of crimes has roughly remained static for the better part of two decades. The increased number of homeless just makes it more visible.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by gyc » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:24 AM UTC

josephcsible wrote: post #33

jypepin wrote: post #27

There are a lot of homeless and SF is indeed in shit hole in a lot of areas, but I don't understand people who say they wouldn't visit because it's not safe or whatever. Looking at crime rate rankings [0], SF is pretty low compared to other US cities both in terms or violant crimes and property crimes. What am I missing? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

You're missing that the data in that page is from 2017, and Chesa Boudin didn't become DA until 2020.

George Gascon,the DA at the time, was also a so-called "progressive DA".

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by narrator » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:24 AM UTC

Cookingboy wrote: post #66

imgabe wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like a group of 10 concerned citizens could get together and steal $9000 per day from Chesa Boudin until he realizes this is a bad policy.

Oh he absolutely knows it's bad policy, however he also knows it wins votes from people in San Francisco. The problem is a large numbers of voters in SF don't realize it's bad policy, and maybe a bigger problem would be why are district attorneys elected positions in the first place?

Can someone who lives in SF chime in and tell us why you voted for Mr. Boudin?

Knowing what I know about bay area politics, I bet half the people who voted for him will say that crime in San Francisco is not the district attorney's fault and blame Regan for closing down the mental hospitals in the 70s.

I live just outside San Francisco city limits and everything is peaceful, because the criminals know that the laws are enforced here. It's that simple. Encountering homeless people shitting in front of me, or screaming bloody murder at the top of their lungs at 2 a.m or whatever was a regular occurrence in S.F. I thought about homeless people every day in S.F. I don't think about homeless people at all where I live now.

The homeless budget in S.F is $300 million dollars a year. That employs a lot of people! Where I live now it's not a whole lot and yet there is no homeless problem.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by fighterpilot » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:24 AM UTC

deepsun wrote: post #85

imgabe wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like a group of 10 concerned citizens could get together and steal $9000 per day from Chesa Boudin until he realizes this is a bad policy.

Many cases are dropped by Boudin's office for insufficient proof, so police has to release suspects. All Boudin needs to do is to not drop that one case involving him.

What's the max punishment if he does pursue it?

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by raverbashing » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:25 AM UTC

olivermarks wrote: post #30

SF District Attorney Chesa Boudin ran for office in November 2019 focusing his campaign on ending mass incarceration with restorative justice models, rather than punitive incarceral methods. Since then crime in SF has absolutely exploded, fuelled by proposition 47 which reduced stealing less than $900 day to a misdemeanor. Add in a massive opioid crisis and the result is a rapidly growing crisis of shoplifting, petty…

It's funny how SF has turned into a daylight sociological experiment.

Remove enforcement of several crimes and see it have areas reminiscent of 3rd world countries in a matter of years.

(But don't expect this to be in any sociological studies, scholars will still blame "lack of education", "lack of opportunities", etc, while those have a role to play, the major factor that changed here is pretty obvious)

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by foota » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:25 AM UTC

Cookingboy wrote: post #66

imgabe wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like a group of 10 concerned citizens could get together and steal $9000 per day from Chesa Boudin until he realizes this is a bad policy.

Oh he absolutely knows it's bad policy, however he also knows it wins votes from people in San Francisco. The problem is a large numbers of voters in SF don't realize it's bad policy, and maybe a bigger problem would be why are district attorneys elected positions in the first place?

The alternative would be that they believe it is good policy and they're willing to accept some increase in crime. Not saying I necessarily agree or accept that the policies are necessarily causing an increase in crime, but I do think it's worth pointing out that this is a possibility. (that imo is not unlikely)

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by natch » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:25 AM UTC

phsau wrote: post #15

throwaway1959 wrote: post #7

I do not think that the current crime situation in San Francisco appeared by some fluke or an accident. Specific policies were put in place by the progressive government officials and progressive people in San Francisco voted for these policies. I think is a cautionary tale for the rest of the country on what happens when progressive utopia gets voted in.

Which policies?

Debit cards given to homeless people with auto deposits every month courtesy of the city, I guess would be one. I think it sounds like a kind, humane policy btw, even though I answered the question. But one that as you can imagine comes with some built in problems.

Edit: I do get that homeless does not equal criminal. But, see broken windows effect.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by Layke1123 » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:25 AM UTC

epicureanideal wrote: post #51

ma2rten wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually don't know if the crime rate in SF is higher than elsewhere, but if it is I think cause is the opposite. It's what happens when capitalism goes unchecked. Cost of living is on the rise while wages are stagnant. Crimes are often committed by people who are desperate. Also there are no facilities for people who are mentally ill, who will go on to commit crimes.

Capitalism isn't what's happening in SF. NIMBYism, cronyism, inability to build, tons of regulatory red tape to do anything, high taxes, etc. is not capitalism.

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