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I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by devoutsalsa »

yupper32 wrote: post #53
84fryb75 wrote: post #9

In early 2020, before lockdown, I visited San Francisco as a tourist with my wife. We took a wrong turn at a book store and wound up on a street covered in feces. The next street was fine. Then on the next, we watched a homeless woman shoot up on the street. Then a supercar pulled into a garage. I'm not the best traveled, I'll admit, so I can't compare SF to foreign cities. I'm a simple hillbilly from the Southeast,…

> This was my third time in SF. > Also, I've always refused to move to Silicon Valley > The author is in denial. > it is a really expensive shithole I'm always amazed by people who have visited a place a few times as a tourist and think "I'm qualified to shit on people who choose to live here". What makes you think you have any say in the situation? SF has massive neighborhood diversity as far as living situations go…

I lived in San Francisco for 15 years, and it’s getting pretty nasty in some places. When ever I meet someone who’s visited San Francisco, almost without exception, they comment on the homeless problem. The problem is SF is so bad you can’t help but comment on it because you’ve likely never experienced anything like it elsewhere in the USA. Who wants to visit a city where the first thing you experience is aggressive panhandling and streets covered in poop?

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Post by olivermarks »

imgabe wrote: post #50
olivermarks wrote: post #30

SF District Attorney Chesa Boudin ran for office in November 2019 focusing his campaign on ending mass incarceration with restorative justice models, rather than punitive incarceral methods. Since then crime in SF has absolutely exploded, fuelled by proposition 47 which reduced stealing less than $900 day to a misdemeanor. Add in a massive opioid crisis and the result is a rapidly growing crisis of shoplifting, petty…

It seems like a group of 10 concerned citizens could get together and steal $9000 per day from Chesa Boudin until he realizes this is a bad policy.

The current crop of California politicians are extremely noisy on Twitter and social media congratulating themselves on how great everything is but are very well protected from ordinary people. Another villain is the supervisor for Venice Beach in LA, a former bucket list tourist destination and now a massive homeless encampment. Supervisor Bonin refuses to talk to his constituents. People are getting very angry... https://vimeo.com/532718306

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by aronowb14 »

Is anybody else getting tired of the constant stream of inflammatory posts ragging on San Francisco or the Bay Area? I feel like I've been seeing one every one or two days that make it to the top of HN.

These types of posts just seem to fit into this ongoing narrative that SF (and relatedly, silicon valley), are all falling apart due to poor governance. It's beginning to feel like a strong echo chamber in here. What really irks me though is on this and the recent post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27241085 the associated comments and discussion don't really seem to have any real substance to them, and seem to revolve around one side saying "I visited and it is horrible!!!" vs the other side saying "I visited and it isn't horrible!!!".

This type of pure anecdotal arguing irks me because I really do love Hackernews as a source of interesting and rational discussion, and keeping ourselves to that standard would be super amazing, especially with complex topics like this one. Homelessness and crime in SF are not single cause topics, (it's not just bad governance that causes them) and the tech exodus does not mean the city is dying.

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Post by mardifoufs »

bosswipe wrote: post #20

A lot of people blame SF's prosecutor but that makes no sense, this is a policing problem. The police is lazy and won't do their job. The police union sees their role as deflecting blame while working as little as possible and collecting their six figure salaries. The reason to defund the police is because they're awful at their jobs, throwing more money after bad won't help. I know I'll be downvoted here because peo…

Honest question, why would police arrest people that won't get prosecuted as a matter of fact. It's effectively not a crime if the AG officially states that he won't prosecute an entire category of crimes. But even if just arrests (followed by immediate release) alone were enough of a disincentive for petty criminals, it would be the police arresting people for the sake of arresting people, for what is effectively not a crime.

The role of the police is not to "punish" in a judicial sense so it's disingenuous to blame the police for not doing the job of the AG. & it's a weird way to deflect the responsability from the population who voted exactly to not allow that "job" to be done.

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Post by yubiox »

Ansil849 wrote: post #19

Was the equipment not insured? This is the underlying point of theft coverage: the realization that even if police investigate a case, they will likely be unable to get the stolen items back.

Insurance is just a loan that you prepay small amounts for until you make a claim and then repay larger amounts for.

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Post by Clewza313 »

throwaway_dcnt wrote: post #26
phsau wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which policies?

decarceration, even for repeat violent criminals and no penalties for property crime.

California already incarcerates 5x more people than any European country, and 10x more than the Nordics:

https://www.prisonpolicy.org/profiles/CA.html

There are many, many problems in CA, but putting more people in jail is not going to solve any of them.

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Post by natch »

imgabe wrote: post #25
cyphertruck wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These harmful effects are intended. That is the strategy. Its important to understand why. Your life depends on it.

Why? I mean, you can't tell people their life depends on knowing something and then not tell them.

I suspect they mean that some people in the area have an aligned agenda (not necessarily conspiring, just aligned) of trying to push the tech industry back out of the city, because they resent the gentrification. Can’t speak to the life depends on it part, but I suppose it’s an allusion to the dangers of crime.

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Post by yaitsyaboi »

cyphertruck wrote: post #21
imgabe wrote: post #6

I'm sure it's skewed because of the Internet, but between Twitter and Hacker News it sounds like San Francisco is basically Somalia now.

I’m not taking offense wt your statement, but do want to say: You are being unkind to Somalia. I’m serious. The perception of Somalia is skewed heavily by western news for the simple reason that the Somali people rebuffed the attempted invasion by US & UK proxy forces. (Guessing you most Americans don’t know that even happened.) Somaliland isn't somewhere I would want to live, but I would pick it over the Bay Area. W…

As a person whose family is from East Africa, saying that you would literally live in Somalia over the Bay Area is really goofy.

There's a GDP per capita of ~250 bucks, the 4th lowest in the world. Even if you lived in some western enclave of Mogadishu, your quality of life would be so much lower that it's incomprehensible. You think the poop in the streets in the Bay Area is annoying? In Somalia 1/3 of people have to defecate in the open. 50% of people don't have access to a basic water supply. The government is still trying to contain Al-Shabab--bombings and skirmishes still happen. As a westerner, especially if you're white, you'd live in constant risk of being kidnapped for ransom.

I don't like the bay area either, but at least keep the criticism tethered to reality. Somalia isn't Syria or Venezuela, you probably wouldn't be murdered but it would be a very dangerous situation.

https://www.unicef.org/somalia/water-sanitation-and-hygiene

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