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Anyone having a different opinion than me is wrong ?
No, that’s not true. But in this case, the grandparent comment is correct. The current Indian Prime Minister is very popular among Bay Area Indians and techies and so they will defend him nearly always.
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In general, Indians living abroad are highly supportive of the Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi. Not his party, or his government, or his policies ... just him personally. Hacker News contains many such people. They are responsible for the bizarre comments you've read on this thread. On a related note, this thread will soon be flagged, like all threads that are even mildly, indirectly critical of Narendra Modi. En…
This generalization comes up in every polarized thread about every polarized topic. Literally every side that feels passionately on such a topic feels like the community is outrageously biased against their side. For every sarcastic and aggrieved "anything that supports $X will get downvoted and flagged" or "anything even mildly critical will get $Y", there are isomorphic comments from the opposing side which are jus…
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Conspiracy theories that COVID was released intentionally by China are still false, same as they were every time this idea gets brought up.
You know this how? Last I checked China refused to let anyone audit their labs or medical facilities.
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This generalization comes up in every polarized thread about every polarized topic. Literally every side that feels passionately on such a topic feels like the community is outrageously biased against their side. For every sarcastic and aggrieved "anything that supports $X will get downvoted and flagged" or "anything even mildly critical will get $Y", there are isomorphic comments from the opposing side which are jus…
It took two comments for a thread about Twitter to turn into HNers identifying and generalizing a racial/national out group.
Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label
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This generalization comes up in every polarized thread about every polarized topic. Literally every side that feels passionately on such a topic feels like the community is outrageously biased against their side. For every sarcastic and aggrieved "anything that supports $X will get downvoted and flagged" or "anything even mildly critical will get $Y", there are isomorphic comments from the opposing side which are jus…
Entirely unrelated to questions about the balance of the community at large, do you have any sense for how this perspective approach can stand up to things like asymmetric astroturfing (e.g. what are sometimes called "troll farms")? I don't spend time analyzing HN discourse like I think you probably do as a natural part of your role here, but it occasionally feels (perhaps a little less here?) like the actions of cer…
Internet users invest far too much energy into perceptions of "asymmetric astroturfing" and other sinister manipulations. Most of what they think they're seeing is easily shown to be a figment of perceptual bias, driven by their own passions on the topic. When I say "easily shown", I mean even from the public data. People could, but generally don't bother, to check the history of the accounts they accuse. When an HN user was posting about, I don't know, Ansible in 2018, or Forth in 2014, what are the odds that they're a foreign asset or secret shill on $hot-topic of 2021? That's literally what most of this stuff amounts to.
What most needs to happen is for us all to become aware of how these psychological mechanisms function in ourselves, so we can interrupt the process by which they convert into sinister fantasies about others. This isn't unrelated to the "balance of the community at large"—it's at the heart of that question. Not seeing, or not wanting to see, the genuine variation of the community on divisive topics is what leads to sinister fantasies. The odds are overwhelming that the person against you on $hot-topic is not $evil-manipulator, they're simply someone with a different background than you, who is as sincerely persuaded as you are.
Does genuine manipulation also exist? Yes, but even answering 'yes' to that already gives a mistaken impression of the proportions. The group-psychology dynamic I'm describing is responsible for the overwhelming majority of these perceptions. That's why the site guidelines ask people not to go there in the comments, but rather to email hn@ycombinator.com if they have concerns. Then we can look at the data and see if anything objective can be found.
I hope I haven't bitten your head off! My comments on this can get tetchy because of the number of times I've had to repeat myself on this issue. At some point I'm going to compile all this into maybe a single explanation that can just be linked to.
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It took two comments for a thread about Twitter to turn into HNers identifying and generalizing a racial/national out group.
" Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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The Hunter Biden laptop story comes to mind. Twitter was even blocking DMs with a link to the story, but it turned out that what was in it was true, even if it was inconsequential. I also remember seeing a Facebook ad that had a video of Biden saying he was going to end fracking, but since his campaign's official stance was that they weren't going end it, the ad was removed for false information.
Can you provide some basis for saying it's true? That is not my understanding, but I'm always interested in learning more.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-laptop-reports-int...
But the whole thing was a big nothingburger.
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Entirely unrelated to questions about the balance of the community at large, do you have any sense for how this perspective approach can stand up to things like asymmetric astroturfing (e.g. what are sometimes called "troll farms")? I don't spend time analyzing HN discourse like I think you probably do as a natural part of your role here, but it occasionally feels (perhaps a little less here?) like the actions of cer…
You'd be welcome to email specific examples that you're worried about to hn@ycombinator.com, but based on everything I've seen, the null hypothesis has to be that your perceptions are conditioned by your own passions about said "certain entities", whatever they are. I don't mean to be dismissive (and when people ask us to look into cases they're worried about, we always do); it's just that this is by far the most con…
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Are you confusing Facebook, Google and Twitter for the government? Otherwise I can’t understand how you conclude that free speech rights are being violated.
The fact that Facebook, Google, Apple, Amazon and Twitter are in total agreement with the current governments of the USA and Canada, and amplify/sink opinions based on their level of compliance with the accepted dogma of both the company and current government -- while simultaneously destroying (Parler) or deplatforming (Gab) any viable alternative platform?
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I have followed this building up on Twitter and as someone not intimately familiar with this. > The ruling party released a fake document It very well might be(not that I know about this), but how did Twitter figure this out? As far as I understand, there has been accusations from both sides without proof. I will be really scared if Twitter is taking a stand based on their judgement of what might have happened. Alrea…
>> The ruling party released a fake document > It very well might be(not that I know about this), but how did Twitter figure this out? As far as I understand, there has been accusations from both sides without proof. The article answers your question: A prominent fact-checking organization examined the document. You can then question the fact-checking organization, and eventually nobody can say anything. Should gover…
Someone has to be the arbiter of the truth. I’d rather it be courts and some legal process, or even the government rather than some so called “prominent fact checking organisation”.