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Cheese photo leads to Liverpool drug dealer's downfall

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Re: Cheese photo leads to Liverpool drug dealer's downfall

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Post by nullc »

User23 wrote: post #186
nullc wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Parallel construction is also used to protect sources and methods. And, of course, it is the unethical and unlawful methods which have the greatest need of "protection".

Snitches get stitches, or a dirt nap. Protecting a confidential informant sounds facially reasonable, but obviously abuses are possible.

In the US people have a right to face their accusers, to cross examine witnesses, to shake out lacking credibility or perverted motivations.

If parallel construction is being used to conceal people who testified against you there might be a motivation for it that is more complicated than an outright end-run around your civil rights, but it's not clear that it's any more justified.

Moreover, even if there is something that ought reasonably be protected misleading the court about it isn't the right way to do it: Say there is a confidential source. Let the court decide if the results can be admitted and under what terms. Allowing prosecutors to lie isn't the right answer, the state is already at a tremendous advantage without it being dishonest.

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Post by supernova87a »

aritmo wrote: post #2

There is some heavy editorializig by the BBC here. As a cheese lover, the cheese was fine. That person just posted a photo that also included their fingertips.

I was thinking that the block of cheese was tracked down at the store by police by it's very unique shape, and fingerprints dusted off of it...

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Post by boulos »

elliekelly wrote: post #75
fnord77 wrote: post #38

amazing the amount of data leaked by a photograph.

I remember I once saw a post here about research at (I think) MIT where they were able to use shadows in photographs to “see” what was behind the camera and “see” around corners. It was really rough and didn’t really look like very much but I think about that research all the time. What happens when that technology improves and every photo that has been posted online is suddenly a photo of way more than the photograp…

You’re probably thinking of the Dual Photography work from Stanford (and all the follow-on work): https://graphics.stanford.edu/papers/dual_photography/

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Post by adolph »

User23 wrote: post #186
nullc wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Parallel construction is also used to protect sources and methods. And, of course, it is the unethical and unlawful methods which have the greatest need of "protection".

Snitches get stitches, or a dirt nap. Protecting a confidential informant sounds facially reasonable, but obviously abuses are possible.

The central officer in this case made up drug crimes and confidential informants for years and his squad killed at least two people in an overtime padding scheme that was only found out because they recklessly shot each other on a raid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecan_Park_raid

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Post by [deleted] »

xtracto wrote: post #82
tux1968 wrote: post #7

This is a very good example of showing that decentralized anonymous communication channels of any type are not enough to ensure free speech. I'm not saying that this particular example has anything to do with free speech, but it does show that you can not speak freely even over encrypted anonymous channels. You can still easily be doxed. We can not rely on any technology to ensure freedom of speech. We need to engend…

You dont need any sort of encryption to preserve anonymity. You just need a fraction of a clue. Look at Satoshi Nakamoto. The entity posted in public forums and had conversations in the public view for so long. He is presumably one of the most infamous subjects in the last 10 years an nobody has managed to doxx him

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Post by TwoBit »

kevinmchugh wrote: post #30
tux1968 wrote: post #7

This is a very good example of showing that decentralized anonymous communication channels of any type are not enough to ensure free speech. I'm not saying that this particular example has anything to do with free speech, but it does show that you can not speak freely even over encrypted anonymous channels. You can still easily be doxed. We can not rely on any technology to ensure freedom of speech. We need to engend…

Wikipedia says EncroChat used central servers in France.

Right and the design flaw was that a server breach meant all phones were breached. Which is what happened.

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Post by pjc50 »

akarma wrote: post #170
freeflight wrote: post #128

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> Not allowing freedom of assembly would have saved many lives in the protests that have swept the US, though potentially at the cost of slower social progress. The US supreme court has established that the government can't regulate the content of speech, but the government is in its right to regulate the time, place and manner of speech. [0] So it is very much a thing in the US and has been enforced plenty of times,…

> even during BLM when protests were just declared as "riots" to then crack down on them with the full force of a militarized police arresting thousands of people Many Americans actually died in these events in addition to dangerous fires (with people still inside buildings!) and random acts of violence, so the riot characterization has at least in some cases been fair. It makes sense thousands of people would be arr…

> Many Americans actually died in these events

Did they? How many? And of those how many were killed by the police or far-right sympathisers like Kyle Rittenhouse?

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Post by pc86 »

webmobdev wrote: post #179
akarma wrote: post #100

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As an American happy to live in a country with all our protected freedoms, there are some parts of the Constitution that other reasonable countries don't agree with, and that's fine. There are other cultures with other value systems and they're no less valid. (1) Freedom of Assembly, part of our 1st Amendment, is one example. A French court recently decided a protest in Paris could not take place. The court rationale…

Right to bear arms, our 2nd amendment, is another example. From what I've read about this arcane piece of legislation, some historians have suggested it stemmed from the fear of slave owners who believed that freed black man may choose to exact revenge on them and they feared that others in their country, who favoured abolition of slavery and criticised them for owning slaves, may not stand with them to offer protect…

This has no basis in reality.

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Post by kergonath »

bobthepanda wrote: post #183
kergonath wrote: post #173

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> Like many things independence from the ECHR has not actually happened yet. Independence from the ECHR does not follow from leaving the EU. To get out of the European Convention on Human Rights, the UK would have to leave the Council of Europe. The Convention is also in the Brexit agreement. Though of course whether the tories will follow the provisions of the treaties they sign is another matter.

I know that but that's certainly not what was sold. The link I provided says as much.

Indeed. Well, I didn’t know you knew but the article said as much. I just wanted to put it explicitly here. Some other comments here show that it is still a common misconception.
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