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Microsoft has turned the Surface Duo into a handheld Xbox

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Re: Microsoft has turned the Surface Duo into a handheld Xbox

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What's pretty clear is that the small form-factor multi-screen device needs a compelling story to establish value and utility. The Surface Duo looks like a very cool device that I would probably never use over a phone with one good screen, more power and a great camera. Similar to tablets, I personally just reach for the phone or the laptop or my TV, and never a tablet. But a Duo released with some more power and som…

Every time I revisit the device, I'm just disappointed all over again that it doesn't run Windows 10. This seems like the device that might have justified Windows 8's ill-fated attempt to unify the mobile and desktop operating systems. I see it, and what I want it to be is a dual-function device that works like a tablet when I'm on the train or whatever, but switches into a more PC-style interface when I plug in a mo…

I would absolutely buy a device like this that ran Windows 10 and could dock, providing an experience like an evolution of the "Continuum" feature seen in Windows 10 Mobile.

Re: Microsoft has turned the Surface Duo into a handheld Xbox

#53

What's pretty clear is that the small form-factor multi-screen device needs a compelling story to establish value and utility. The Surface Duo looks like a very cool device that I would probably never use over a phone with one good screen, more power and a great camera. Similar to tablets, I personally just reach for the phone or the laptop or my TV, and never a tablet. But a Duo released with some more power and som…

Every time I revisit the device, I'm just disappointed all over again that it doesn't run Windows 10. This seems like the device that might have justified Windows 8's ill-fated attempt to unify the mobile and desktop operating systems. I see it, and what I want it to be is a dual-function device that works like a tablet when I'm on the train or whatever, but switches into a more PC-style interface when I plug in a mo…

So much this. If it ran Windows 10, I'd not only own it, I'd be excited to own it. There's just nothing exciting about anything iOS or Android is doing. They're just phones.

What's frustrating is that Microsoft is in this incredibly deep rut with their OS team and haven't been able to dig themselves out. Each successive alternative flavor of 10 has failed to launch for years, including this month's death of 10X.

As much as I'd love a Duo running Windows 10, if it had waited for a Windows OS to run on it, it never would've launched at all.

Re: Microsoft has turned the Surface Duo into a handheld Xbox

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This seems to be the ongoing story with Windows Phone / Surface: interesting and well-made hardware, let down by mediocre software and UX.

I'll disagree with UX on the Windows Phone. I miss it to this day. The problem was 100% insufficient ecosystem support. Friends having social apps I simply couldn't get my hands on (and third-party apps that worked great getting blocked by official sources.) And bank apps that required Android/iOS - the convenience of mobile check deposit can't be overstated in the U.S.! The Surface UX (Windows 10) has improved massi…

> The Surface UX (Windows 10) has improved massively since Windows RT / Windows 8.

As a Surface owner, I am sorry, but the Surface/Tablet UX on Windows has actually _significantly degraded_ compared to Windows 8. Just pick up a Windows 8/.1 Surface and compare; it is night and day.

Windows 10 may have upgraded "desktop" Windows usability and reduced the much-hated "tablet influences", but the cost is that as a result it is a much worse tablet OS, no doubt about it.

Re: Microsoft has turned the Surface Duo into a handheld Xbox

#56
Console Sales:

- Switch: 85 millions

- PS5: 8 millions

- XBOX: 4 millions

Looks like both Sony/Microsoft forgot something when they announced their new console..

A proper portable console with 1 (and not 2) home console would have been a killer

I'm not sure what the target audience is with a virtual gamepad, smartphone users want games designed for their phones, and console users want games designed for a gamepad, and that is why the Switch sells very well, it suits the need of portable gamers in a world full of smartphones

source: https://www.vgchartz.com/

Re: Microsoft has turned the Surface Duo into a handheld Xbox

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems to be the ongoing story with Windows Phone / Surface: interesting and well-made hardware, let down by mediocre software and UX.

Windows Phone 8.1 was the pinnacle of modern smartphone UX and is still far ahead of Android, with BB10 OS being the only serious competitor. If I had to describe Android's UI in comparison: usable but I hate every second of it. Especially the text input is so frustrating I have to wonder whether it's intentional.

I'm not sure making your labels so large they don't fit on the screen is part of the "pinnacle of modern smartphone UX".

It had interesting ideas that work better for a fancy site, not for a OS that should be used by hundreds of millions of casual users.

Re: Microsoft has turned the Surface Duo into a handheld Xbox

#59

What's pretty clear is that the small form-factor multi-screen device needs a compelling story to establish value and utility. The Surface Duo looks like a very cool device that I would probably never use over a phone with one good screen, more power and a great camera. Similar to tablets, I personally just reach for the phone or the laptop or my TV, and never a tablet. But a Duo released with some more power and som…

> Similar to tablets, I personally just reach for the phone or the laptop or my TV, and never a tablet.

That's an interesting point.

I, too, never reach for a tablet. But I use my tablet a lot to read research papers and books- both fiction and nonfiction.

So, to me, it is never a replacement for a mobile phone. It does something else.

So, if MS or anybody else wants to popularize this form factor, I believe that they would have to convince people of its uses _other than_ as a smartphone, and focus on that.

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