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Cheese photo leads to Liverpool drug dealer's downfall

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Re: Cheese photo leads to Liverpool drug dealer's downfall

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> but most in the US (myself included) would say that the US Constitution doesn't grant anybody any rights. It codified inalienable rights that exist for all people merely by virtue of their existence As an American I find this a very surprising interpretation, and I doubt anybody in my close social circle would agree with it either.

The Declaration of Independence made the claim that certain rights were inalienable. The US Constitution was much less exciting and largely just laid out how the government would function. "We the People of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselv…

> The Bill of Rights wasn't even part of the original constitution

I see this claim frequently, but I still judge it as "mostly false." Multiple states refused to ratify the constitution without the bill of rights. Without the bill of rights, the original constitution would have collapsed in less than ten years. The original constitution by itself was a piece of paper. The constitution together with the bill of rights are the foundation of our government.

Re: Cheese photo leads to Liverpool drug dealer's downfall

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I love how bad GPT-3 is at logical inference: > "This is actually really interesting, the cheese is curved towards the bottom (in the pic) but if you look at the bag it’s flat. It’s on a bag, so the cheese is obviously curved due to the weight of the block. This is a new one to me, I can’t wait to hear the excuse."

It's fascinating that it mimics linguistic structure exceptionally well, but not semantic structure and sequence. Reminds me of how people with Wernicke's aphasia can create long sentences that are grammatically alright, but nonsensical. Not quite the same, but there's an interesting limitation on the semantic side, which is almost masked by a truly world-class linguistic ability. I continue to be in awe of GPTS's ab…

The story has a sort of a dreamlike quality. All the words and sentences are there and any individual piece kind of makes sense but if you zoom out the whole thing is nonsense.

Re: Cheese photo leads to Liverpool drug dealer's downfall

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After looking at the Wikipedia page for Parallel Construction[1], there is a subsection about the UK, it mentioned that one could argue that parallel construction is now a concept that applies in the UK as of 2016. It then points to an article on The Register subtitled “Enshrining parallel construction in English law”[2]. It looks like Section 56(1) of the Investigatory Powers Act prohibits “any content of an interce…

The UK doesn't even have the exclusionary rule --- in fact, most countries don't. There's no need for "parallel construction" there.

The exclusionary rule ain't the only reason to engage in parallel construction.

A whole long list of reasons can lead to that, a list that also includes criminal actions by the police itself.

Re: Cheese photo leads to Liverpool drug dealer's downfall

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In reality, the police were likely violating his rights and doing some good old fashioned parallel construction. They had his prints from his products, knew who he was already, waited until they watched him post a picture of cheese, then claimed it was only the picture that caused him to be caught. This is a clear change in police methods, enabled by tech, and an abuse of your constitutional rights if this was a U.S.…

If the photo in the article is the actual photo posted, then I'm most impressed. It seems out of focus in all the areas you'd expect to need detail to match fingerprints.

Yep—there’s also tons of motion blur. Although this could perhaps be filtered out using deconvolution. Using the cheese label as ground truth to parameterise the deconv filter, this might just work.

Re: Cheese photo leads to Liverpool drug dealer's downfall

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Umm you can't even see his fingerprints on that photo. It's way too blurry. Weird. Edit: The lines on his palm are very clear though in the whole picture: https://www.merseyside.police.uk/news/merseyside/news/2021/m... Maybe that was it. Those are also pretty unique.

You can remove blur from images with [blind] deconvolution. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_deconvolution

It wouldn’t even be blind deconvolution since they can use the cheese label as ground truth.

Re: Cheese photo leads to Liverpool drug dealer's downfall

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How do they legally get from "it's his hand holding the cheese" to "he's the true source of all the bravado in this nefarious forum" to "he's a drug dealer"? If all they needed was a fingerprint, certainly there are more convenient ways to go about it. He's got to touch something other than his product. This smells more like a false narrative contructed to cover up the actual source / methods for cornering him. Maybe…

The police could have had his prints from his merchandise, or an entirely separate issue, with no idea that they matched a certain until-then anonymous drug dealer known only for his posts on EncroChat.

So they have drug product with prints.

They match those to the hand / fingers holding the cheese.

Presuming the EncroChat is anonymous, how do they then tie that to the person arrested? Where and how does that happen?

Re: Cheese photo leads to Liverpool drug dealer's downfall

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I'm not meaning to imply that the USC applies to anyone other than US citizens from a legal standpoint. Not only am I not a lawyer, but I'm meaning to draw a distinction between legal rights and human rights in this context. I'm saying that the rights codified in the USC are inalienable rights. The US government isn't granting the freedom of speech, and it can't take it away. The right exists because you're a human b…

As an American happy to live in a country with all our protected freedoms, there are some parts of the Constitution that other reasonable countries don't agree with, and that's fine. There are other cultures with other value systems and they're no less valid. (1) Freedom of Assembly, part of our 1st Amendment, is one example. A French court recently decided a protest in Paris could not take place. The court rationale…

> Not allowing freedom of assembly would have saved many lives in the protests that have swept the US, though potentially at the cost of slower social progress.

The US supreme court has established that the government can't regulate the content of speech, but the government is in its right to regulate the time, place and manner of speech. [0]

So it is very much a thing in the US and has been enforced plenty of times, for example during Occupy and even during BLM when protests were just declared as "riots" to then crack down on them with the full force of a militarized police arresting thousands of people [1].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone

[1] https://apnews.com/article/american-protests-us-news-arrests...

Re: Cheese photo leads to Liverpool drug dealer's downfall

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If the photo in the article is the actual photo posted, then I'm most impressed. It seems out of focus in all the areas you'd expect to need detail to match fingerprints.

976px x 549px is a standard size the BBC use for images to be displayed on desktop computers. 976px x 549px would be half a megapixel. The BBC most likely resized the image they obtained from the NCA down to that res and prob threw some jpeg compression on it just as a matter of course when publishing the image to the site. While the focus would play a huge part, an iPhones camera (ok the phones were Android Based, b…

The full image is 2048x1152: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/2048/cpsprodpb/F8F6/production...

Anyway, it's still cropped, and in this other version from a different source you can clearly see part of his palm print, which the BBC references: https://www.merseyside.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/images/...

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