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How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

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Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

#41
Mac's are not intuitive. But then, neither are Windows machines or Ubuntu machines.

I've yet to use an intuitive machine.

The most intuitive thing is the command line ... but you have to learn so much before you can use your machine from the command line ... its not an investment worth making unless you're a developer.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

#42
The app install process is a bloody joke. I have installed programs my whole life on probably 5 desktop OS:es and I work full time since 20 years with desktop software installers.

Yet I had to Google several times to just install a single piece of MacOS software.

The windows exe installer system isn’t perfect but it beats that…

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

#43
post #15

The entire thing used to be super intuitive and consistent. Disk images were the mac equivalent of a compressed folder, e.g. zip. And I find the "compressedd virtual usb-stick" idea a lot more intuitive than the whole "we cram files into other files and loose all metadata" shenanigans. Apps used to be simple files in the finest unix tradition. No weird installer that does who knows what, no wizards, no special system…

Or "uninstalling" apps, always kind of confusing on Windows. Not on the Mac. Still, I think it's not that the Mac is not that intuitive any more, it's that Windows has more or less caught up.

That depends on your opinion.

Deleting an app folder on MacOS is no less intuitive than right-clicking an app in windows and choosing Uninstall.

Certainly in most OSs (I think), there is a good chance that more got installed than just a single folder so anyone who isn't exclusively on a Mac is going to think that deleting a folder is asking for trouble.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

#44
macOS app installation is broken for about 20 years now. It's not a new thing.

Instead of clicking "next-next-next" as you do on Windows, you have at least 3 competing versions of installing things.

* you have pkg installers (sometimes zipped, sometimes just .pkg files)

* you have those .app bundles that you need to manually move to Application (they are sometimes in a zip and sometimes in a DMG, further complicating things)

* you now also have an app store (that keeps requiring you to enter iCloud password - different from OS password - all the time for some weird reason)

And don't try to even uninstall anything.

* app store apps are uninstalled by ... holding them in Launchpad view, which is never needed anywhere else

* other apps... just are not un-installable, really.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

#46
I'm not sure I agree with this at all.

Just to test I donwloaded the .dmg for Chrome.

Like A LOT of .dmg based "installers" there is a Chrome application and a link to /Applications, with a nice obvious "arrow" between them.

I've always found this to be pretty self evident that I must put the Chrome app into the Applications folder.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

#48
post #14

I bought a Mac in 2014 after a lifetime of using Windows. I never understood why people called it easier to use than Windows. Maybe this sentiment is a holdover from an earlier era when people would mindlessly run executables and zip files attached in emails and AIM messages. From a UI perspective, it's 90% identical to windows. From a UX perspective though, something fundamental like Finder is still not up to the jo…

Also, by default Finder seems to hide directory structure from you. This seems to be Apple thinking it'll confuse people if they can see 'up' directories, but I think just as often it confuses people like me who are trying and failing to go up. I use all three major desktop OSes regularly now, and overall Windows just feels like the most user-friendly and straightforward, though of course it too has issues (e.g. vari…

Are you looking for 'Go', and 'Enclosing Folder'? Or if you navigated to a folder from its parent, you can click the back button, just like a browser, which is probably what most users expect. It's like navigating links.

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

#49
post #14

I bought a Mac in 2014 after a lifetime of using Windows. I never understood why people called it easier to use than Windows. Maybe this sentiment is a holdover from an earlier era when people would mindlessly run executables and zip files attached in emails and AIM messages. From a UI perspective, it's 90% identical to windows. From a UX perspective though, something fundamental like Finder is still not up to the jo…

The worst: pressing Enter to rename a file in finder. Command + Down arrow to open it. WTF!

Re: How Intuitive Are Macs Really?

#50
post #12

I find the dock terribly unintuitive every time I use a Mac.

How so? It can't get much more intuitive in my view, it's a collection of your favorite apps with dots under each running one.

Then why do I have to keep unpinning iTunes? Why does it come back when I remove it?

Why does it only have colorful icons instead of icons+text? I use a bunch of IDEs that visually look the same, but their functionality is wildly different. This is a usability nightmare.

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