O'Leary: Forced landing in Belarus was 'state-sponsored hijacking' • Hacker News Board

Re: O'Leary: Forced landing in Belarus was 'state-sponsored hijacking'

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Post by throwaway21_ » Mon, May 24, 2021, 11:17 AM UTC

alkonaut wrote: post #9

kobiguru wrote: post #2

no It's not exhibit A: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/bolivian-presidents-pla...

That's not an exhibit of how this isn't state sponsored hijacking. That's a poor attempt at whataboutism, that has surfaced several times in ALL the threads on this topic. There are several reasons that wasn't even remotely comparable, and the most obvious one is that that was diplomacy (the US closing airspaces and thereby giving the plane no choice but to land). That kind of power is wielded by the US becuase it's…

Don't be silly - Belarus is a sovereign state, they control their airspace and they had every right to land that plane down. Assange made US looked stupid in that incident while Lukashenko made Protasevich looked stupid yesterday.

btw nobody sane is believing that US wouldn't force to land plane flying over US with Snowden in it - but Snowden isn't that stupid I guess.

Re: O'Leary: Forced landing in Belarus was 'state-sponsored hijacking'

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Post by KeNE3zuF » Mon, May 24, 2021, 11:21 AM UTC

kobiguru wrote: post #2

no It's not exhibit A: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/bolivian-presidents-pla...

I don't understand what you are trying to convey? Are you saying that state-sponsored hijacking can only happen once, so the fact that is has happens before is evidence it cannot have happened now?

Re: O'Leary: Forced landing in Belarus was 'state-sponsored hijacking'

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Post by simonh » Mon, May 24, 2021, 11:28 AM UTC

iso1631 wrote: post #5

O'Leary: Continues to fly his plane over the same route the very next day because passengers didn't buy the "anti kidnap" add-on https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1396771259724206082...

Airlines can't just fly their planes off on whatever windy route over Europe they feel like. Did all the other airlines start avoiding Belarus Airspace?

Re: O'Leary: Forced landing in Belarus was 'state-sponsored hijacking'

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Post by bradleyjg » Mon, May 24, 2021, 11:30 AM UTC

simonh wrote: post #13

iso1631 wrote: post #5

O'Leary: Continues to fly his plane over the same route the very next day because passengers didn't buy the "anti kidnap" add-on https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1396771259724206082...

Airlines can't just fly their planes off on whatever windy route over Europe they feel like. Did all the other airlines start avoiding Belarus Airspace?

Several of them did, yes.

Re: O'Leary: Forced landing in Belarus was 'state-sponsored hijacking'

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Post by toyg » Mon, May 24, 2021, 11:30 AM UTC

simonh wrote: post #13

iso1631 wrote: post #5

O'Leary: Continues to fly his plane over the same route the very next day because passengers didn't buy the "anti kidnap" add-on https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1396771259724206082...

Airlines can't just fly their planes off on whatever windy route over Europe they feel like. Did all the other airlines start avoiding Belarus Airspace?

Quite a few of them yes, looks like. The other threads has actually flight paths posted that clearly show that.

Re: O'Leary: Forced landing in Belarus was 'state-sponsored hijacking'

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Post by toyg » Mon, May 24, 2021, 11:33 AM UTC

kobiguru wrote: post #2

no It's not exhibit A: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/bolivian-presidents-pla...

As much as I agree with the equivalence, the answer really is that Snowden's abduction would also have been a shameful state-sponsored hijacking.

Re: O'Leary: Forced landing in Belarus was 'state-sponsored hijacking'

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Post by KeNE3zuF » Mon, May 24, 2021, 11:34 AM UTC

throwaway21_ wrote: post #11

alkonaut wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not an exhibit of how this isn't state sponsored hijacking. That's a poor attempt at whataboutism, that has surfaced several times in ALL the threads on this topic. There are several reasons that wasn't even remotely comparable, and the most obvious one is that that was diplomacy (the US closing airspaces and thereby giving the plane no choice but to land). That kind of power is wielded by the US becuase it's…

Don't be silly - Belarus is a sovereign state, they control their airspace and they had every right to land that plane down. Assange made US looked stupid in that incident while Lukashenko made Protasevich looked stupid yesterday. btw nobody sane is believing that US wouldn't force to land plane flying over US with Snowden in it - but Snowden isn't that stupid I guess.

This is about might, not right. Both the US and Belarusian governments are obviously able and willing to kidnap people, that doesn't mean they have that right.

Sovereignty is likewise about might and not right. They are sovereign because they can do things like this. Anyone who can reliably do things like this in given area is sovereign, but that doesn't mean that anyone has the right to do things like this. Might does not make right.

Re: O'Leary: Forced landing in Belarus was 'state-sponsored hijacking'

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Post by ezconnect » Mon, May 24, 2021, 11:34 AM UTC

alkonaut wrote: post #9

kobiguru wrote: post #2

no It's not exhibit A: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/bolivian-presidents-pla...

That's not an exhibit of how this isn't state sponsored hijacking. That's a poor attempt at whataboutism, that has surfaced several times in ALL the threads on this topic. There are several reasons that wasn't even remotely comparable, and the most obvious one is that that was diplomacy (the US closing airspaces and thereby giving the plane no choice but to land). That kind of power is wielded by the US becuase it's…

You're blinded by too much propaganda.

Re: O'Leary: Forced landing in Belarus was 'state-sponsored hijacking'

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Post by londons_explore » Mon, May 24, 2021, 11:36 AM UTC

What did that journalist do to anger Belarus that badly?

He was only 26 years old... How do you stoke a regime so badly they send a bunch of KGB agents after you? Most journalists at age 26 are still writing about cats stuck up trees...

Re: O'Leary: Forced landing in Belarus was 'state-sponsored hijacking'

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Post by toyg » Mon, May 24, 2021, 11:36 AM UTC

alfiedotwtf wrote: post #6

State-sponsored hijacking when they do it, friendly landing to refuel when we do it.

No, they were both "state-sponsored hijacking".

I don't think anyone is particularly proud of their involvement in the Snowden-Morales case, it was a shameful case of bootlicking to an enraged US emperor. The point "we" should make is that, if we really believe in civil democracy, these things should not happen ever again, no matter the flag.