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Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by s_dev »

maratc wrote: post #8

This will likely have no consequences to the regime in Belarus, while increasing costs to these Baltic airlines. A policy that might achieve something would be if the Baltic states, together with Poland and Ukraine, would close their airspace to Belavia planes, until the detained passenger is delivered to his destination in Vilnius. This will increase costs to Belarusian airlines, which would be a problem to the regi…

Russia and Belarus make money from the planes flying over their airspace. They won't be collecting that money so there is at least one consequence.

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by user-the-name »

arodyginc wrote: post #26
proxysna wrote: post #16

This affects me directly since i am working outside of Belarus now and rely on air travel to visit my family, still this feels like the only reasonable answer to KGB messing with airlines. I am expecting that most planes to Belarus, from EU are going to be cancelled and people will have to reroute their travel through Moscow. In general it is terrifying how far my country went down the path of turning into another Tu…

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So today we are making excuses for authoritarians kidnapping opposition members, huh.

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

V-2 wrote: post #29
sneak wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A careful reading of the wikipedia page shows the truth. Whether you revoke airspace permits and force the plane down based on fuel reserves, or scramble fighter jets, the net effect is the same: the plane lands before when it was planning to, if it wants to do so in one piece. Let’s not split hairs here when the precise same political motivation, and the precise same mechanism was used (the threat of fighters if the…

Well - they obviously had enough fuel to simply fly back to Russia if Snowden were actually on board. I'm not saying I support that action - I'm only pointing out these two incidents aren't quite in the same category.

It's also possible to disagree with both actions, which handily destroys the "But you did it first" attempted defence.

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by heavenlyblue »

golergka wrote: post #28
dekoruotas wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has also been set in motion: https://i.redd.it/elts5rgbg0171.jpg

European diplomats being "strongly concerned" have long become a running joke here in Russia: https://twitter.com/ISEUConcerned I sincerely hope that this statement finally gets backed up by some decisive action that can put real pressure on these dictators, but I don't get my hopes up.

What is the probability of this account being owned by Russian government?

I would say 99% and you’re just perpetuating the same propaganda.

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by meepmorp »

fy20 wrote: post #19
redleader55 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From this flightradar track, it seems WizzAir is also doing this.

Ryanair is not though :-) https://www.flightradar24.com/RYR7BJ/27cf72bf

Obviously nobody onboard paid the fee to avoid hostile airspace.

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by struxure »

thinkingemote wrote: post #31
golergka wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

European diplomats being "strongly concerned" have long become a running joke here in Russia: https://twitter.com/ISEUConcerned I sincerely hope that this statement finally gets backed up by some decisive action that can put real pressure on these dictators, but I don't get my hopes up.

I know that people can joke about the west in Russia but are people allowed to make jokes about their own government in Russia and in the associated eastern european states? Is it like China yet? I'm guessing not as there's no visible list of banned words and phrases, but we don't see (in HN) much criticism of Russia, Belarus from there, just attacks on the hypocrisy of the West. Do you see it headed towards China, w…

Criticism is allowed unless you have ambitions to work in government. Critique of the government has become actually quite common in the Russian stand up comedy scene. There are some exceptions, like you cannot show any public disrespect to the Head of the Chechen Republic Ramzan Kadyrov (you can google how people apologise to him).

Edit (forgot to mention): also, participating in anti-government protests often results in people losing their jobs or being expelled from the universities

Edit 2: also, there is an ongoing crisis with the independent media: the Russian government is trying to suffocate the independent news outlets by classifying them as foreign agents (which has pretty bad practical outcomes for the news outlet)

Re: Baltic airlines reroute flights to avoid Belarus airspace

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Post by user-the-name »

sneak wrote: post #25
namdnay wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Evo Morales' plane? From what I gathered it wasn't forced down in Austria, it's just that they were refused entry into the airspaces of several countries and the pilots weren't sure about the remaining fuel levels. Apparently the whole thing was a stunt by Julian Assange? Don't know how true that is Definitely a bit dodgy though

> that they were refused entry into the airspaces of several countries Countries that minutes earlier they were cleared to fly through, and had planned to fly through. Had they ignored the refusal and proceeded as planned? Same ending: fighter jets. Let’s not pretend here that this is different.

Very much NOT the same ending. Had this theoretical situation happened, and had fighter jets been scrambled, they would have escorted the plane out of their airspace. They would NOT have forced it to land and arrested any passengers.
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