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Re: Show HN: CRM for Your Job Search

#31

Post by VonGallifrey »

ptmcc wrote: post #28
MattGaiser wrote: post #13

Are many people actually applying for enough jobs for this to have a major use? I know there are plenty of stories of new grads needing 300 applications to get a job, but how common is that? How many jobs were you applying for to inspire this? As an aside, I like your use of the Chrome extension as I built something similar at my company for legal research.

I can't imagine applying to that many jobs as an experienced dev. My last job transition I narrowed down my search to 3 companies that I was interested in enough to apply & interview, based on combination of compensation, culture, and product. Got an excellent offer from one of them, and still happy 2+ years later. I know that's a fortunate position to be in, but it's been a job-seeker's market for years. I feel like…

I apply to maybe 5 companies at maximum, but I always track them in a spreadsheet with a similar functionality to this kiter app.

I just forget what the status of each application was or is. When did I apply, when was the last communication and what was discussed. I just don't want to worry about any of it, so I write it down.

I wouldn't use an app like this because I would simply create another spreadsheet when I need it again, but I can see how it would be useful even for a small number of companies to track.

Re: Show HN: CRM for Your Job Search

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Post by pbmango »

alexjplant wrote: post #25
MattGaiser wrote: post #13

Are many people actually applying for enough jobs for this to have a major use? I know there are plenty of stories of new grads needing 300 applications to get a job, but how common is that? How many jobs were you applying for to inspire this? As an aside, I like your use of the Chrome extension as I built something similar at my company for legal research.

Yes. I had a Trello board specifically for this purpose. If you're selective about the job you want then you have to cast your net far and wide until you find The One. Recruiters will ghost you, low salary bands will be withheld until the second or third call, you won't find out about team drama until one interviewer talks trash about another that you spoke to earlier, a remote job will magically turn into an on-site…

Hi Alex. Thank you for sharing and congrats on finding a great role. I think you are spot on. For many there will always be the option of jumping in a "track" career or taking the first opportunity that comes their way. For the rest, like yourself, there are so many great companies in need of great people out there that it can be worth taking the time to be strategic and thoughtful. With the ease at which you can search/find/resume-drop/email these days that trend is likely to grow.

You mentioned having success with a Trello board. Is there anything that you wished you could have had in addition at the time?

Re: Show HN: CRM for Your Job Search

#33

Post by pbmango »

VonGallifrey wrote: post #31
ptmcc wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't imagine applying to that many jobs as an experienced dev. My last job transition I narrowed down my search to 3 companies that I was interested in enough to apply & interview, based on combination of compensation, culture, and product. Got an excellent offer from one of them, and still happy 2+ years later. I know that's a fortunate position to be in, but it's been a job-seeker's market for years. I feel like…

I apply to maybe 5 companies at maximum, but I always track them in a spreadsheet with a similar functionality to this kiter app. I just forget what the status of each application was or is. When did I apply, when was the last communication and what was discussed. I just don't want to worry about any of it, so I write it down. I wouldn't use an app like this because I would simply create another spreadsheet when I ne…

Great point on the value of keeping tabs on timing. Most of us are very busy and many are fortunate enough for the job hunt to be part time. Having a clear idea of when the last time you had contact with a company is exactly the type of thing we are trying to make fun and easy.

Re: Show HN: CRM for Your Job Search

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Post by beachy »

I believe there is a market opportunity for something similar, but where someone else can helicopter to watch your application attempts.

It's likely not relevant to the sorts of jobs HN readers do, but in many countries, unemployment benefits can be tied to the beneficiary making positive efforts to find a job. Proving your efforts currently involves a lot of ad-hoc copying of emails and screenshots.

Likewise parents compelling little Johnny to get his A into G and get out there applying for jobs.

The interesting thing (or cautionary thing depending on pov) is that services like this have potential mega clients like national governments. One deal like that can make or break you.

Re: Show HN: CRM for Your Job Search

#36

Post by obsequiosity »

How about a feature to collect and present keywords in saved job ads so as to highlight those skills or experience worth most to review, learn and (in preparation for an interview) verbally recite about? E.g., 5 out of 6 saved ads mention Java, 3 out of 6 mention HTML, and 1 mentions machine learning. Then your app would help the user discover what is worth most spending time on in preparation for a potential interview and help to organize the time and notes about that preparation (in the latter case, an example would be fetching common interview questions for Java, then coaching the user by having a mock interview with feedback).

Re: Show HN: CRM for Your Job Search

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Post by pbmango »

beachy wrote: post #35

I believe there is a market opportunity for something similar, but where someone else can helicopter to watch your application attempts. It's likely not relevant to the sorts of jobs HN readers do, but in many countries, unemployment benefits can be tied to the beneficiary making positive efforts to find a job. Proving your efforts currently involves a lot of ad-hoc copying of emails and screenshots. Likewise parents…

Applicants using kiter have requested similar and we have the option to "share" your progress with a mentor or advisor - or whoever. Right now that opens up a read only commenting ability but we are exploring more. Thank you for the feedback.

Re: Show HN: CRM for Your Job Search

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Post by InvaderFizz »

Looks interesting, hopefully a bit better than the spreadsheet I normally use in my hunting process.

Unfortunately it looks like either something is botched with your Oauth Credentials for the project, or maybe you hit a rate limit.

I'm getting the following when attempting to sign in with Google.

    Error 400: redirect_uri_mismatch
    The redirect URI in the request, https://www.account.kiter.app/api/1.1/oauth_redirect, does not match the ones authorized for the OAuth client. To update the authorized redirect URIs, visit: https://console.developers.google.com/apis/credentials/oauthclient/220480969749-t7q92pteqn0rjp9ekjm89lrnnm94hdif.apps.googleusercontent.com?project=220480969749

Re: Show HN: CRM for Your Job Search

#39

Post by kevindong »

MattGaiser wrote: post #13

Are many people actually applying for enough jobs for this to have a major use? I know there are plenty of stories of new grads needing 300 applications to get a job, but how common is that? How many jobs were you applying for to inspire this? As an aside, I like your use of the Chrome extension as I built something similar at my company for legal research.

Even when I was looking for my second job out of college, I submitted dozens of applications and there were several times when I was unsure if I had applied for a job or not (not every job portal sends confirmation emails). Once you get into the dozens of applications, you need to take notes to keep yourself organized about if you need to do something (e.g. take a coding assessment), if you're just awaiting something (e.g. awaiting a scheduled interview), or to just take notes about how you felt about some part of the process (e.g. you saw some red flags or positive signs during some interaction).

If you're only applying for a very small handful of jobs (1 or 2), you probably don't need to use a CRM nor something resembling a CRM.

Re: Show HN: CRM for Your Job Search

#40

Post by mavsman »

obsequiosity wrote: post #36

How about a feature to collect and present keywords in saved job ads so as to highlight those skills or experience worth most to review, learn and (in preparation for an interview) verbally recite about? E.g., 5 out of 6 saved ads mention Java, 3 out of 6 mention HTML, and 1 mentions machine learning. Then your app would help the user discover what is worth most spending time on in preparation for a potential intervi…

This is what Hired does. The issue is that they suggest stuff that’s not really helpful for me, e.g. suggesting I add Java as a top skill even though I’m a frontend leaning engineer with nearly no Java experience.
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