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Re: Atomic Gardening

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Here are more pictures of such a garden: https://www.amusingplanet.com/2013/03/atomic-gardening-breed...

My understanding is plants are fairly radiation resistant compared to animals... A small fault in the leaf of a plant just kills that leaf, but a small fault in your heart kills you...

If that's the case, I'd be a little worried even being in a plane flying over that garden...

Re: Atomic Gardening

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I think it’s immensely problematic that a seed can fall in your farm, and you can be sued for illegally growing Monsanto’s IP. More generally I think it’s a bad societal outcome for one company to use IP laws to monopolize the food production economy. I think allowing this will lead to a much less robust society. I’m all for free markets for most markets, but things get very bad if people don’t have food. So I think…

That scare scenario has never occurred, and it's legally doubtful that any such lawsuit by someone like Monsanto could succeed. Monsanto itself explicitly said it would never sue anyone for accidental contamination. What Monsanto DID do was sue someone whose field was contaminated, and who then repeatedly sprayed the field with glyphosate to kill all but the GMO plants, so he could selectively concentrate the interlo…

There have been hundreds of lawsuits by Monsanto. I don't immediately recognise which case you're talking about. Do you have any links please?

> GMO IP protection does nothing to prevent farmers from continuing to grow previously existing varieties.

If they buy seed from grain elevator which comingles GMO and non-GMO seed (which is what happened in the Bowman case) the farmer can't sell what they've grown from that seed.

Re: Atomic Gardening

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It’s interesting to read Greenpeace and other environmental groups’ writings to see what they are objecting to. It seems they are primarily concerned about two types of issue; one is why I’d call “safety”: gene transfer/escape into wild species, unintended ecological consequences, human safety of consuming GM plants. Tho other group is around “licensing”: essentially a deep concern about going down a path where plant…

> Maybe Greenpeace would argue that we’re already endangering the biosphere a bit with selective breeding, and going any faster would dramatically increase the danger. This is an interesting point. The practice of using GMOs, including the broad category of selective breeding, could ultimately lead to much less biodiversity which is, at best, not fully understood by us, but seems to be quite bad for life.

Already has led, although I guess the bigger effect is agriculture itself – basically giving those few genetically homogeneous cultivars a vast selective advantage by converting biologically diverse natural land into monocultural fields on a vast scale.

Re: Atomic Gardening

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Here are more pictures of such a garden: https://www.amusingplanet.com/2013/03/atomic-gardening-breed...

My understanding is plants are fairly radiation resistant compared to animals... A small fault in the leaf of a plant just kills that leaf, but a small fault in your heart kills you... If that's the case, I'd be a little worried even being in a plane flying over that garden...

The source might be in a container that is shielded in such a way that it only allows radiation to escape sideways which will then eventually end up absorbed in the dike wall.

Re: Atomic Gardening

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That scare scenario has never occurred, and it's legally doubtful that any such lawsuit by someone like Monsanto could succeed. Monsanto itself explicitly said it would never sue anyone for accidental contamination. What Monsanto DID do was sue someone whose field was contaminated, and who then repeatedly sprayed the field with glyphosate to kill all but the GMO plants, so he could selectively concentrate the interlo…

There have been hundreds of lawsuits by Monsanto. I don't immediately recognise which case you're talking about. Do you have any links please? > GMO IP protection does nothing to prevent farmers from continuing to grow previously existing varieties. If they buy seed from grain elevator which comingles GMO and non-GMO seed (which is what happened in the Bowman case) the farmer can't sell what they've grown from that s…

Here's the case I was thinking of (it was canola, not soybeans):

https://decisions.fct-cf.gc.ca/fc-cf/decisions/en/item/38991...

As for Bowman

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/11-796_c07d.pdf

Bowman didn't just do that. He applied glyphosate to the field. So, he bought seeds without a license to grow them, with the intent to exploit the fact they were resistant to glyphosate. This violated the patent.

Re: Atomic Gardening

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s interesting to read Greenpeace and other environmental groups’ writings to see what they are objecting to. It seems they are primarily concerned about two types of issue; one is why I’d call “safety”: gene transfer/escape into wild species, unintended ecological consequences, human safety of consuming GM plants. Tho other group is around “licensing”: essentially a deep concern about going down a path where plant…

> Maybe Greenpeace would argue that we’re already endangering the biosphere a bit with selective breeding, and going any faster would dramatically increase the danger. This is an interesting point. The practice of using GMOs, including the broad category of selective breeding, could ultimately lead to much less biodiversity which is, at best, not fully understood by us, but seems to be quite bad for life.

The Cavendish banana is a common and well known example of this.

Re: Atomic Gardening

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I heard about this on the radio and was surprised I hadn't heard of Atomic Gardening before. Basically, farmers and gardeners would expose large quantities of seeds and plants to varying degrees of radiation, and look for useful mutations. Rio Red grapefruits, accounting for 3/4 of Texan-produced grapefruit, were originally created by Atomic Gardening! From the Grapefruit wiki, which links to the Atomic Gardening one…

The Rio red variety was not developed in 2007. It was developed in the 1980s, in, you guessed it: Rio, Brazil. When I first heard about this some handful of years ago I was naturally curious about how a researcher in Rio in the 1980s had access to thermal neutrons without a fission reactor. After a lot of reference digging and discussion on physics forums we came to the conclusion it was most likely a penning trap st…

The Curiosity neutron source is indeed a conventional pulsed sealed-tube neutron source, not a Penning trap.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/5253560_The_Dynamic...

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