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Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Other news on this has quotes from Tim Cook saying that they'd have to find a way to track purchases on IOS and bill developers so that Apple still gets their cut when using other payment processors. For me, this is way over the line. If they want to charge developers to be on their store, fine. I don't have a problem with that. And charging for using them as a payment processor makes sense. Charging for using Apple…

> But charging them simply because they make money while on a device that an end-user owns?

What Apple are trying to do is to make back the CapEx of developing the OS frameworks developers are relying upon. Those frameworks often make up a non-negligible fraction of an app's USP, i.e. they're partly why the developer is making money.

Apple see whatever slice of market value their OS frameworks added to the developer's product, as morally being their money. Whether there's a legal/contractual framework in place to grab that money or not, they feel like they should be pursuing it.

Compare and contrast: music producers sampling some other IP-holder's work. You'd expect, as a producer, that if half of your song was just sampled from another particular song, then 50% of the revenue of your song would be morally owed to the IP-holder of the other song.

And also, if you had a contract with the IP-holder that paid less than 50% out to them, that'd certainly be legal, but you'd also likely feel that it'd be you getting one up on them — you'd be coming away with more margin than you "deserve", and them with less than they "deserve", given the amount of work each of you put into the final product.

Apple thinks that they "deserve" 10–30% of the value App Store apps capture, because they do 10–30% of the work in making every App Store app (in advance, by building frameworks.) It's not about how the app wants to capture that value, any more than income taxes are about how you make money. They're both about the fact that you did make the money, and the 'infrastructural substrate' that 'invested' in you to help you make that money, wants what it sees as its implicit preferred-shareholder-dividend for that 'investment'.

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Not to mention that you have to purchase expensive apple hardware to develop for iOS.

I saw the new Mac Mini on sale at Costco for $600 yesterday, I don’t see how Apple hardware can be called “expensive” anymore.

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How do you think malware should be controlled? An App Store has the ability to load executable code that might do anything onto your device. I don’t think an OS can just opt to do nothing about this. Some basic guard rails, designed to dissuade the technically unsavvy seems like the least that could be done. Additionally, I think there would need to be a malware management system, similar to ones on other more open p…

Require code to be signed by a certificate issued to verified individuals by the government. Prosecute individuals who produce the illegal code.

There are some problems with that approach…

(1) Which government? Governments have limited jurisdictions, so, e.g., the U.S. federal government, or the State of Michigan, is going to have a hard time prosecuting a Russian citizen in Russia.

(2) Under what laws? There are a lot of things that are malware that aren’t strictly illegal, at least not yet. Laws like this aren’t easy to write, either. They almost surely need to include the element of intent, which will make them hard to use.

(3) What agency (in each country) is going to be given the responsibility *and budget* to enforce the anti-malware laws (once they exist)? You’re proposing the creating of a fairly large new bureaucracy for most places.

(4) For good reason, the justice system in most places moves slowly. Presumably, malware apps will need to be left up at least until the criminal investigation is complete and a court order can be obtained. Possibly until a guilty verdict.

It seems so much more efficient to put in some up-front barriers to malware stores.

I’ll also just point out that we have had malware problems for some time and the threat of criminal prosecution does not seem to have proven to be a deterrent, so I don’t think we can count on it now.

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Other news on this has quotes from Tim Cook saying that they'd have to find a way to track purchases on IOS and bill developers so that Apple still gets their cut when using other payment processors. For me, this is way over the line. If they want to charge developers to be on their store, fine. I don't have a problem with that. And charging for using them as a payment processor makes sense. Charging for using Apple…

What if the platform strategy is inherently flawed from the perspective of a public good, and is inherently monopolistic and anticompetitive? How does this not reach the absolute definition of a de facto monopoly, especially if you’ve read about the powers that monopolies already broken up we’re using to keep theirs? No monopoly ever will admit it is one.

I would like to see a world where platforms are forcibly opened - it seems like any downside could be easily mitigated with competition or regulation. If Apple wants to be a privacy platform great. But they don’t get to take an arbitrary cut out of every companies bottom line with no recourse because they own the hardware. I think anyone saying the potential bad effects don’t have enough imagination as to how well things can work when everything isn’t owned by one company. You could even argue it’s anti capitalist if you wanted.

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Not to mention that you have to purchase expensive apple hardware to develop for iOS.

I saw the new Mac Mini on sale at Costco for $600 yesterday, I don’t see how Apple hardware can be called “expensive” anymore.

Don't you still need to buy a monitor and all peripherals?

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> Apple hasn't changed the rules since, like, 2009 before they had the theoretical "monopoly" status. This couldn't be further from the truth. They have carved out many exceptions to the 30% commission over the years - often as part of sweetheart deals to attract larger entities that have negotiating leverage, such as Netflix and Amazon.

Yes, but in monopoly law, the rules haven't changed from the perspective that Apple hasn't raised prices. Apple can lower them all they want, but if they raise them when they got their monopoly status so as to take advantage of their market, that would be illegal. However, that relies on the idea that Apple is even a monopoly to begin with, and that really depends on what you define "the market" as. Is the product an…

As a non American this is very interesting knowledge.

I have a question: in USA could Tesla force Tesla Powerwall owners to only buy electricity from Tesla approved suppliers and when they sell their product through Tesla store, Tesla gets a 30% cut?

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I don't get this argument. How can an alternative app Store affect the quality of the Apple app Store ? The alternate app Store is not gonna come installed by default. No one is gonna mistake the alternative app Store for the apple one. Apple is gonna make sure of that. Apple can even put up loads of warnings and dark UI stuff when installing an alternate app Store to dissuade the "noob" users.

If a major app moves to a different App Store, people will install the second (and third, and fourth, etc.) No one will say “oh, well, I want Instagram because all my friends have it but I’m not going to install Facebook’s store to get it because I want to keep my phone secure.” The problem is that security and privacy benefits are somewhat intangible and hidden, so they are not enough to convince people to weight th…

Developers won't leave the App Store if Apple are offering good value to them and their customers.

If Apple stops offering good value (fair policies, commissions), then Apple should be "punished" by losing business.

Offering competing stores provides a strong incentive for Apple to make theirs even better. Developers would win and consumers would win. The only "loser" would be Apple (at least as far as short term financials are concerned).

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Can you define a "general computing device" in a way that includes PCs and phones, but not game consoles?

That's easy. Can you run spreadsheet programs, image editors, IDES, etc by default on consoles? Just approved software, no jailbreaks, hacks, etc.

Yes, all of this is available via web browser.

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It’s not really weird at all. When a dialog pops up while a user is trying to do something like install an app 90% of users will blindly click “ok” in order to get on with it.

Neither the user or a website/app can install an apk file on Android by just clicking "OK".

This extends to any number of dialogs standing between the user and their goal. If a user wants to install an application they will not be deterred by warnings because they fundamentally don't care - they've already decided they want this app.
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