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Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire

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Post by slver »

stale2002 wrote: post #362
slver wrote: post #342

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I don’t get what I want. I want Apple to control their ecosystem. It significantly altered the iPhone experience for the better imho and this is why I buy the products. A store in a store is like a country in a country. I declare myself a country now laws no longer apply to me. How would that work for society. And you already had what you want. It’s full of phones where you can install whatever. Why should you force…

> I want Apple to control their ecosystem Users are free to choose the Apple app store, if the decide to do so. The problem is Apple's illegal, anti-competitive behavior, that needs to be stopped. > I don’t get what I want. If the courts rules that Apple's behavior is illegally anti-competitive, then what will likely happens is that Apple will be ordered to make it easier for people to install other app stores, if th…

The problem is users would always choose short-term gain of saving a buck, over security, over user experience, over the health of the ecosystem. The average user doesn't understand all the complex implications of their choices. But they understand paying $3 instead of $4.

And that's ok, the average user doesn't have to think about all these things. But this is why Apple has to.

What's really disappointing is this sub should be populated by relatively intelligent individuals, yet this intelligence, which I'm sure is there, didn't help in figuring out how Epic getting what it wants would significantly harm the iPhone experience.

Re: Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire

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Post by stale2002 »

slver wrote: post #371
stale2002 wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I want Apple to control their ecosystem Users are free to choose the Apple app store, if the decide to do so. The problem is Apple's illegal, anti-competitive behavior, that needs to be stopped. > I don’t get what I want. If the courts rules that Apple's behavior is illegally anti-competitive, then what will likely happens is that Apple will be ordered to make it easier for people to install other app stores, if th…

The problem is users would always choose short-term gain of saving a buck, over security, over user experience, over the health of the ecosystem. The average user doesn't understand all the complex implications of their choices. But they understand paying $3 instead of $4. And that's ok, the average user doesn't have to think about all these things. But this is why Apple has to. What's really disappointing is this su…

> The problem is users would always choose short-term gain

So then, at the end of the day, this is not about you getting what you want.

Instead, it is that you want to force other people, to agree with your decisions, and take away their choice to buy from other app stores, if the courts rule that Apple's behavior is illegally anti-competitive.

> But this is why Apple has to.

You can stay with Apple if you want. Problem solved. Other people, would get to choose what they want, and it is not on you to force them to agree with you, if Apple's behavior is ruled illegally anti-competitive, and they have to let other app stores exist.

> would significantly harm the iPhone experience.

Don't install the epic app store, if you don't like it then. Problem solved. You just want to take that decision away from other people, even though the courts could absolutely rule that the behavior that Apple is engaging in is illegally anti-competitive.

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Post by kiririn »

m463 wrote: post #366
kiririn wrote: post #339

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>look at your data directly and back it up >backup and restore the entire device including apps Ironically these areas are where iOS shines. Despite being a heavily walled garden, it grants you full backups and full user filesystem access (including things like keychain) via extracting those backups. A comparable and unrooted Android tablet cannot be fully backed up, and you cannot inspect app/user settings areas of…

> Ironically these areas are where iOS shines. You as a device owner do not have access to the full ios filesystem. full stop.

You get way more access on unjailbroken iOS than on unrooted Android. The equivalent of the entire /data partition is available to both read and write via iTunes backups with very few exceptions.

On Android, you used to be able to backup maybe half of app/user data in this way (many devs opted out), now closer to zero (adb backup deprecated)

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Post by skinnymuch »

techrat wrote: post #290
skinnymuch wrote: post #251

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All of this is available if jailbroken. There aren’t many people caring too much about most of these. I personally enjoy parts of the first two. They aren’t deal breakers if I can’t jailbreak/root though.

>All of this is available if jailbroken. should read: All of this is available if you use the same exploits that malware often use to compromise systems. "Jailbreaking" is not a feature inherent to iOS so stop trying to say it's an option. It really isn't. An option is something that continues to be available to the user regardless of system updates and without restriction. As such, sideloading apps is an option on A…

I didn’t make my post clear enough. I was stating most people don’t care for these features that are available when jailbroken. My post was not about this being an “option” but that the list of features aren’t important to even the more geeky jailbreaking users.

Regardless of me not being specific in my post, your reply has a ton of assumptions and unnecessary attitude in my opinion.

Re: Judge in Fortnite case holds Tim Cook's feet to the fire

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Post by skinnymuch »

wokwokwok wrote: post #273
skinnymuch wrote: post #246

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No one really jailbreaks for cracked apps. There are many small reasons to jailbreak. Most apps are paid via in app purchases that can’t be cracked. Very few apps are paid and popular enough to be cracked and not crash upon attempting to use. It is something that may have been true a decade ago. The cliche needs to stop ever since in app purchases took over most spending.

That’s because of in-app purchases, which create terrible crippled naggy software. Sadly, this will accelerate the ecosystem away from tools like procreate and affinity into “each brush is $1”. You might be right, but I’m personally sad to see this playing out in a way that makes it worse.

Especially because how big was piracy ever on iOS? It would be a fraction of jailbreakers. Who were always a significant minority of iOS users. So we’re talking under 10% of users who use at least one cracked app at the peak. Most likely. Likely less and def less for people using multiple pirated apps regularly. 5% piracy rate is still not helpful or good to some developers, but that’s not going to do much at all to the bottom line.

So yeah unfortunate. Both the high price of yearly or monthly subscriptions and the specific in app purchases for things like brushes.

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