The sexual counterrevolution is coming
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The sexual counterrevolution is coming
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#2Taking history as a precedent, the pendulum is likely to swing the other way eventually, though it'll still surprise us when and in what form it comes. That's just how these things go. But if (as I've just done...) the author is only relying on the patterns of history to make this claim, and not any actual data, the rest of the article is superfluous.
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#3I don't see any real evidence in that article for the claim in the headline. If anything, all the trends she's pointing to go the other way, and the supporting anecdotes she has are clearly called out as unusual exceptions to the rule. Taking history as a precedent, the pendulum is likely to swing the other way eventually , though it'll still surprise us when and in what form it comes. That's just how these things go…
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#4I don't see any real evidence in that article for the claim in the headline. If anything, all the trends she's pointing to go the other way, and the supporting anecdotes she has are clearly called out as unusual exceptions to the rule. Taking history as a precedent, the pendulum is likely to swing the other way eventually , though it'll still surprise us when and in what form it comes. That's just how these things go…
"Between 1991 and 2017, the percentage of high-school students who’d had intercourse dropped from 54 percent to 40 percent. Today, people in their early 20s are twice as likely to be sexually abstinent as Gen Xers were at the same age."
But revolution is also probably the wrong word. I believe the sexual revolution in the 60's was rather sudden, all things considered. The trend depicted in the article just seems like a gradual decline, or perhaps the reversion to some sort of society mean.
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#7This is just a random columnist's assertion that some young people with pretty insecure and controlling views of sex and relationships represent a trend or a "counter revolution". While I don't at all doubt that there are many people who hold these views, I'd refrain from calling it a trend until I see some solid evidence.
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#8Clearly there's a lot of value in plain old traditional marriage, being a housewife, being a husband, supporting your kids etc. We likely can't have a civilization unless a certain percentage of people are doing this, and certainly not a very healthy one. But that doesn't mean EVERYONE needs to be forced into it, anymore than EVERYONE needing to be forced into being single, career-focused and sleeping around. If some people want to live wild and carefree, let them without calling them trash. If others want to give up a career to raise kids, let them, without calling them fools and an insult to their gender. Different people require different lifestyles. If we run short on the family types (as we may be doing), incentivize that lifestyle a bit. I hear Japan actually pays people (a little) to have kids. But otherwise, just leave people alone.
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#9[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._K._Chesterton#Chesterton's_...
Lots of systems get to a place where there are load-bearing components and no one is around to explain how they got there, why they're important, or even that they are load-bearing. In systems that evolve via selection, even going back historically, there might never have been a good justification for those components. There's probably systems where we've had almost exclusively _incorrect_ explanations for why those components are important.
I suspect a lot of human culture is like this. There's traditions and religious rules and other norms, and we don't really know why or even that certain traditions are important. The justifications for things like sexual modesty and religion aren't great, in fact maybe were never good, but the fact that society adopted them among all possible things it could have adopted _may_ indicate that they in fact serve useful purposes, even if we're not currently totally clear on what those are.
So I think as society becomes more rational, we see lots of components with bad justifications, get rid of them, and only then realize that those components were serving important functions that we weren't (perhaps ever) really consciously aware of.
Not to say this is bad: there's a lot of genuine cruft that ought to be removed, and it's good to discover what's cruft and what's actually important, but I think this is an explanation for why you see pendulums like this.
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#10Its kind of weird to see this without something like (1985) in front of it, the sexual counterrevolution already happened.
Even for the reaction against more recent hookup culture (for which “sexual counterrevolution” is a silly name), we’re many years into that, and its been widely observed, too, so the headline here seems to be really leaning hard into predicting the past.