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I don't think they believe that so much they believe they can skim off the top of certain areas of commerce on iOS. If they did it with bank transactions, Apple Pay, Venmo, Robinhood, etc then people would be up in arms.

Divide and conquer. It's gaming and software apps now. It'll be bank transactions and commerce later on. A 1% "Apple Platform Safety Fee" on Robinhood wouldn't surprise me....

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Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Sometimes less freedom is a good thing. It frees the customer's mind to let an organization they trust make the tedious product evaluations for you. We do it all the time with retail shopping where we enjoy the curated decisions of the shop's owner instead of a giant bazaar.

I own the hardware (the floor space of the store). Should I not be able to decide who sets up shop in my phone?

I think the zoning laws in your area prevent you from operating a nuclear plant or a meat processing facility. (Sorry, it's just Hello Kitty shops for you! :) )

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Other news on this has quotes from Tim Cook saying that they'd have to find a way to track purchases on IOS and bill developers so that Apple still gets their cut when using other payment processors. For me, this is way over the line. If they want to charge developers to be on their store, fine. I don't have a problem with that. And charging for using them as a payment processor makes sense. Charging for using Apple…

Cook didn't say anything about tracking purchases, or even getting a cut as such. He said they would need to find another way to invoice developers, which just means another revenue model, that's all.

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PWAs and web based push notifications only benefit Google?

Yes. Google's strategy is simple: 1. The web should be able to control everything (i.e. PWA features not normally found in a browser). 2. Google should control the web (they can index it, track, monetize it, but it has to be on the web). 3. Profit. Do you think Apple users are super excited at the prospect of most apps turning into battery-draining non-native shitty experiences, instead of using the iOS frameworks? N…

Why can I play 3D games in every browser except Safari on iOS? What is the technical reason for that?

Have you not noticed that EVERY APP asks for push notifications and uses them as a marketing funnel?

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Tim Cook's line of argument seemed a bit weird to me. On one hand he's saying that he doesn't know if Apple's customers would be able to distinguish between Apple's good and holy curated store and Epic's filthy shitheap of porn and blackjack, but he's also saying that Apple's customers definitely want Apple's App Store as-is. > Lawyer says, “if people really value Apple’s curation and Apple’s App Store, even if there…

You're making Tim Cook sound stupid and/or evil, but he does have a point. > If customers really value real, safe drugs, even if there's multiple drug suppliers (some offering fake, unsafe drugs), people should still go to a pharmacy? > It seems like a decision that they shouldn't have to make. > Will people not be able to distinguish between safe drugs and fake unsafe drugs? > They've never had to do it before.

This is a good illustration of the point. But at the same time, customers have multiple pharmacies to choose from. And I'm pretty sure that it's still more the government regulators' job (FDA, etc) to decide what's safe to sell or not, than it is the for-profit corporations'.

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> If Apple let developers tell users about other payment methods, Cook said later, “we would in essence give up our total return on our IP

Well you could charge developers per download. I find these arguments very audacious and entitled. Saying that developers are not entitled to profits, only apple is, with a straight face, is... remarkable

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Other news on this has quotes from Tim Cook saying that they'd have to find a way to track purchases on IOS and bill developers so that Apple still gets their cut when using other payment processors. For me, this is way over the line. If they want to charge developers to be on their store, fine. I don't have a problem with that. And charging for using them as a payment processor makes sense. Charging for using Apple…

I have seen this time after time, that when the question of Apple store comes up, a top-rated comment always makes a comparison with game consoles to argue it is all fair. I don't personally believe the comparison makes sense, but many on HN do. So I am going to ask, how is this different from PS/Xbox/etc? If the game consoles still 'own' the device after you have bought it, e.g. when PS disabled Linux installation f…

I can buy a game from a store as well. Or a friend. And sell my games as well. I can choose which console I buy to consume these games on. It's a game-centric system.

Sure, the path consoles are heading down will look like the current Apple situation very soon. And I think the same criticisms apply then, too.

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Apple doesn’t take a cut of transactions I make in my iPhones browser.

And for how long would Safari on iOS keep up with new features or not get its performance nuked if for example games started to move into browser apps in major numbers on iOS. Apple itself said in the trial that games pretty much subsidize all other apps in terms of the money Apple makes out of the App Store. iOS Safari already lags behind in features. Apple would just make it even worse if it started to cost them si…

I’ve haven’t met any "feature" on desktop Chrome I wish existed on Safari on iOS but don’t and I browse the web few hours a day from mobile. If anything, web browsers are bloated enough already and should remove features or fix the existing ones before adding news things.

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I don't get this argument. How can an alternative app Store affect the quality of the Apple app Store ? The alternate app Store is not gonna come installed by default. No one is gonna mistake the alternative app Store for the apple one. Apple is gonna make sure of that. Apple can even put up loads of warnings and dark UI stuff when installing an alternate app Store to dissuade the "noob" users.

Suppose you install a messaging app to talk to your friend. How do you know they installed their copy from the good App Store and not the bad one?

Your friend's messaging app is not installing apps on your phone, so it doesn't matter (to you).
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