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Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Post by hmate9 » Sun, May 23, 2021, 11:18 AM UTC

akg_67 wrote: post #8

Hamuko wrote: post #2

Tim Cook's line of argument seemed a bit weird to me. On one hand he's saying that he doesn't know if Apple's customers would be able to distinguish between Apple's good and holy curated store and Epic's filthy shitheap of porn and blackjack, but he's also saying that Apple's customers definitely want Apple's App Store as-is. > Lawyer says, “if people really value Apple’s curation and Apple’s App Store, even if there…

I hope multiple App Stores don’t become a thing on iOS. The reason I like iPhone is that I am assured that apps I download from App Store are not shit and curated by Apple. Apple has vested interest to keep apps made available to be clean and not going to compromise iPhone. Android play store, in comparison, is full of crap and free for all, basically buyer (or downloader) beware. Phone is used by too broad of user g…

Im not sure why you got downvoted. Its a legit opinion.

I can see the argument for why this is better for iOS users, but it is also painfully obvious how it benefits Apple's monopoly and works against app developers.

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Post by hpaavola » Sun, May 23, 2021, 11:18 AM UTC

akg_67 wrote: post #8

Hamuko wrote: post #2

Tim Cook's line of argument seemed a bit weird to me. On one hand he's saying that he doesn't know if Apple's customers would be able to distinguish between Apple's good and holy curated store and Epic's filthy shitheap of porn and blackjack, but he's also saying that Apple's customers definitely want Apple's App Store as-is. > Lawyer says, “if people really value Apple’s curation and Apple’s App Store, even if there…

I hope multiple App Stores don’t become a thing on iOS. The reason I like iPhone is that I am assured that apps I download from App Store are not shit and curated by Apple. Apple has vested interest to keep apps made available to be clean and not going to compromise iPhone. Android play store, in comparison, is full of crap and free for all, basically buyer (or downloader) beware. Phone is used by too broad of user g…

"I hope multiple App Stores don’t become a thing on iOS. The reason I like iPhone is that I am assured that apps I download from App Store are not shit and curated by Apple."

Then dont install those other app stores and only rely on apples curated list, if other app stores ever become a thing on ios.

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Post by akg_67 » Sun, May 23, 2021, 11:19 AM UTC

Nextgrid wrote: post #9

akg_67 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope multiple App Stores don’t become a thing on iOS. The reason I like iPhone is that I am assured that apps I download from App Store are not shit and curated by Apple. Apple has vested interest to keep apps made available to be clean and not going to compromise iPhone. Android play store, in comparison, is full of crap and free for all, basically buyer (or downloader) beware. Phone is used by too broad of user g…

How do you explain that the majority of apps are contaminated by spyware like the Facebook SDK and dozens of other equivalents? (which for the record is in breach of the GDPR and Apple could be considered complicit if they allow this while at the same time requiring all apps to comply with local laws and has removed apps who break or could be used to break the law before) How do you explain scam apps that deliberatel…

Have you looked at Google play store, in comparison? Apple is still doing 100x better job. 100% cleanliness is utopia but I will take an App Store that weeds out lot of contaminated apps than every other app being contaminated in some sort of way.

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Post by hmate9 » Sun, May 23, 2021, 11:19 AM UTC

Nextgrid wrote: post #9

akg_67 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope multiple App Stores don’t become a thing on iOS. The reason I like iPhone is that I am assured that apps I download from App Store are not shit and curated by Apple. Apple has vested interest to keep apps made available to be clean and not going to compromise iPhone. Android play store, in comparison, is full of crap and free for all, basically buyer (or downloader) beware. Phone is used by too broad of user g…

How do you explain that the majority of apps are contaminated by spyware like the Facebook SDK and dozens of other equivalents? (which for the record is in breach of the GDPR and Apple could be considered complicit if they allow this while at the same time requiring all apps to comply with local laws and has removed apps who break or could be used to break the law before) How do you explain scam apps that deliberatel…

I would match rather sign up for a subscription through the iOS ecosystem, where I can easily and realisably cancel that subscription through Apple themselves as opposed to entering my credit card info and figuring out how to cancel for each and every application differently.

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Post by vbezhenar » Sun, May 23, 2021, 11:20 AM UTC

aero-glide2 wrote: post #3

Hamuko wrote: post #2

Tim Cook's line of argument seemed a bit weird to me. On one hand he's saying that he doesn't know if Apple's customers would be able to distinguish between Apple's good and holy curated store and Epic's filthy shitheap of porn and blackjack, but he's also saying that Apple's customers definitely want Apple's App Store as-is. > Lawyer says, “if people really value Apple’s curation and Apple’s App Store, even if there…

Why not give customers the choice to run other app stores? Imagine if all the software on your laptop must be downloaded from the windows store..

> Why not give customers the choice to run other app stores?

Why would Apple want to do so? That would obviously reduce their earnings.

> Imagine if all the software on your laptop must be downloaded from the windows store..

I bet that is Microsoft's dream. They can't just do that because of disruption would be too big. But they did something similar with Windows RT, so they definitely looking into it.

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Post by jorams » Sun, May 23, 2021, 11:21 AM UTC

> “IAP helps Apple efficiently collect a commission” — for payment processing, but also customer service and the use of Apple’s intellectual property. Without in-app purchases, “we would have to come up with another system to invoice developers, which I think would be a mess.” If Apple let developers tell users about other payment methods, Cook said later, “we would in essence give up our total return on our IP.”

Apple doesn't provide payment processing, customer service or anything on payments made using other payment methods, so there's nothing to invoice developers for. They also already charge developers a yearly fee for a developer account.

Am I misunderstanding the argument, does the article misrepresent it, or does it just not make sense?

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Post by akg_67 » Sun, May 23, 2021, 11:22 AM UTC

hmate9 wrote: post #11

akg_67 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope multiple App Stores don’t become a thing on iOS. The reason I like iPhone is that I am assured that apps I download from App Store are not shit and curated by Apple. Apple has vested interest to keep apps made available to be clean and not going to compromise iPhone. Android play store, in comparison, is full of crap and free for all, basically buyer (or downloader) beware. Phone is used by too broad of user g…

Im not sure why you got downvoted. Its a legit opinion. I can see the argument for why this is better for iOS users, but it is also painfully obvious how it benefits Apple's monopoly and works against app developers.

I agree that it disproportionately benefits Apple but alternative is free for all like Android and all responsibilities fall on end user (not possible when you have from very young users to very old users, both unsophisticated and sophisticated users).

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Post by rjzzleep » Sun, May 23, 2021, 11:23 AM UTC

akg_67 wrote: post #13

Nextgrid wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you explain that the majority of apps are contaminated by spyware like the Facebook SDK and dozens of other equivalents? (which for the record is in breach of the GDPR and Apple could be considered complicit if they allow this while at the same time requiring all apps to comply with local laws and has removed apps who break or could be used to break the law before) How do you explain scam apps that deliberatel…

Have you looked at Google play store, in comparison? Apple is still doing 100x better job. 100% cleanliness is utopia but I will take an App Store that weeds out lot of contaminated apps than every other app being contaminated in some sort of way.

I do think that the apple app store has better quality apps. But to be frank, those 3 day trial autorenew apps are definitely more common on iOS.

There are so many highly rated iOS apps that look great and where you can't even get past the initial stage without having to sign up to a subscription without even know what it is.

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Post by FredPret » Sun, May 23, 2021, 11:23 AM UTC

aero-glide2 wrote: post #3

Hamuko wrote: post #2

Tim Cook's line of argument seemed a bit weird to me. On one hand he's saying that he doesn't know if Apple's customers would be able to distinguish between Apple's good and holy curated store and Epic's filthy shitheap of porn and blackjack, but he's also saying that Apple's customers definitely want Apple's App Store as-is. > Lawyer says, “if people really value Apple’s curation and Apple’s App Store, even if there…

Why not give customers the choice to run other app stores? Imagine if all the software on your laptop must be downloaded from the windows store..

But you do! Buy an Android. Or jailbreak the iPhone.

As a consumer, his comments were spot on about me at least.

Re: Tim Cook’s Fortnite trial testimony was unexpectedly revealing

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Post by detaro » Sun, May 23, 2021, 11:23 AM UTC

akg_67 wrote: post #13

Nextgrid wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you explain that the majority of apps are contaminated by spyware like the Facebook SDK and dozens of other equivalents? (which for the record is in breach of the GDPR and Apple could be considered complicit if they allow this while at the same time requiring all apps to comply with local laws and has removed apps who break or could be used to break the law before) How do you explain scam apps that deliberatel…

Have you looked at Google play store, in comparison? Apple is still doing 100x better job. 100% cleanliness is utopia but I will take an App Store that weeds out lot of contaminated apps than every other app being contaminated in some sort of way.

Nobody is proposing that the Apple app store should go away, or that other stores shouldn't be curated. (E.g. exactly because the play store is as it is, on Android I go look at F-Droid first, because if it has something I trust it more)