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Trabant: The East German car remains iconic

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Re: Trabant: The East German car remains iconic

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> Volkswagen settled in Zwickau, Chemnitz and Eisenach and developed the Golf and Polo models there. Opel has been producing cars there since 1992, along with numerous new suppliers that call Saxony, Thuringia and Saxony-Anhalt their home. The author mixed something up there. VW only settled in Zwickau and Chemnitz, which were involved in Trabant production. However VW neither settled in Eisenach nor was there anythi…

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Re: Trabant: The East German car remains iconic

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The USAF museum in Dayton Ohio has one on display. When I was there in 2003 they had it placed next to some portions of the Berlin Wall. This example is the 601 S "Delux" which got you two-tone paint and a chrome bumper, in addition to the odometer and back-up light that the "S" special edition got you.

https://imgur.com/a/WnKqNKe

https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact...

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Yes iconic. It has the iconic sound of a lawnmower. Meanwhile the west had BMWs. Tells a lot about how things were.

Some love the sound of 3 cylinder two-strokes. The Saab 93 has a cult following. The engine was originally licensed from a German manufacturer. I believe Auto-Union, but someone can correct me?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-saab-850-gt-monte-car...

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post #22

Yes iconic. It has the iconic sound of a lawnmower. Meanwhile the west had BMWs. Tells a lot about how things were.

> Yes iconic. It has the iconic sound of a lawnmower. And the car body was made of paper.

A joke making the rounds in Germany back then:

There's this American car collector who has every fancy car imaginable, but then he hears that there is a car in East Germany that is so popular that the order backlog is many years. So he orders one. At the factory, they're perplexed that someone from abroad would order one, and so keen to satisfy their first foreign customer that they ship one out immediately. Later, a friend asks: "So, did you get your East German car yet?" - "No, but they sent me a fully functional cardboard model."

Re: Trabant: The East German car remains iconic

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Yes iconic. It has the iconic sound of a lawnmower. Meanwhile the west had BMWs. Tells a lot about how things were.

At the time when production started in the 50's and 60's, the East German cars weren't all that bad compared to the rest of the world (especially if you compare to anything else than West Germany, which after all built the best high-end cars in the world). The problem was that the East German economy quickly went downhill starting in the late 60's, and there was no will, and no resources to bring new cars into produc…

I really like the sharp lines of old designs. Probably terrible for aerodynamics, but they look great.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the time when production started in the 50's and 60's, the East German cars weren't all that bad compared to the rest of the world (especially if you compare to anything else than West Germany, which after all built the best high-end cars in the world). The problem was that the East German economy quickly went downhill starting in the late 60's, and there was no will, and no resources to bring new cars into produc…

> had almost invented the VW Golf class of cars if the engineers had their way, but such developments were blocked by the "higher ups" Interesting. But yes, that's what you get when you have politicians making decisions about products and market (doesn't apply only to Eastern countries and doesn't apply only to governmental politicians - think office politics/people "falling up").

> governmental politicians

Does “politician” just mean “person who makes decisions for reasons I don't like” to you? Politicians can also make good decisions.

Re: Trabant: The East German car remains iconic

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the time when production started in the 50's and 60's, the East German cars weren't all that bad compared to the rest of the world (especially if you compare to anything else than West Germany, which after all built the best high-end cars in the world). The problem was that the East German economy quickly went downhill starting in the late 60's, and there was no will, and no resources to bring new cars into produc…

> had almost invented the VW Golf class of cars if the engineers had their way, but such developments were blocked by the "higher ups" Interesting. But yes, that's what you get when you have politicians making decisions about products and market (doesn't apply only to Eastern countries and doesn't apply only to governmental politicians - think office politics/people "falling up").

Thank god we now have the EU bureaucrats making decisions. Because forcing the companies to cheat on, ehm I mean "innovate" on emissions is democratic and western. Somehow the markets don't care about ecology, which is strange, because market knows best.

Re: Trabant: The East German car remains iconic

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I'm Hungarian, born in '81, so I grew up around Trabis, Wartburgs, Skodas, Moskvitch, Ladas. My mom's first car was a Trabant. At some point in the 80s we moved to W-Germany for a few years and we took the Trabant, it was not a good look (we were living in Boeblingen, near Stuttgart, location of the Porsche HQ). The magic of social and geographic mobility and the tech boom: today, 30 years later, I live in Dubai, whe…

I grew up in East Germany, but i don't have any kind words to say about the Trabant; a small two-stroke engine (all East German engines were two stroke engines) that was quite bad to the environment (and to the poor guys who were frequently sick with some kind of asthma), what's so cool about that? (and the Chassis was made of pressed papier-mache, not even plastic; i have never seen one burning, but it would have been burning like a match)

Re: Trabant: The East German car remains iconic

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> had almost invented the VW Golf class of cars if the engineers had their way, but such developments were blocked by the "higher ups" Interesting. But yes, that's what you get when you have politicians making decisions about products and market (doesn't apply only to Eastern countries and doesn't apply only to governmental politicians - think office politics/people "falling up").

> governmental politicians Does “politician” just mean “person who makes decisions for reasons I don't like” to you? Politicians can also make good decisions.

I am envious of the fact that you live in a world where politicians make good decisions.
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