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Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Twitch is open for 13 years old people, as a streamer (I don't remember who) said, what if a 13-year-old started a hot tub stream? Will it be sexually suggestive content or is it a 13 years old kid having innocent fun ?

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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>. But at least it makes it easier for me to intentionally find attractive women in swimsuits who are streaming their sexiness unintentionally, ...do you honestly think it's unintentional? The issue is twitch are open hypocrites. They take a cut of money people 'donate' to these sexually suggestive streamers. They don't need the advertisers on those streams because the money is already coming in from the viewers. The…

No, that was the internet failing to convey my sarcasm. Twitch just said, “hey folks, hot tub streams aren’t sidestepping the rules, so here’s a special category to make it easier for you to not sidestep the rules, wink wink.” They ought to just enable explicit content and put in decent parental controls rather than this B.S. Advertisers might actually prefer having a clearly defined explicit content tag, rather than…

my bad. I was drinking and posting which probably didn't help either.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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> Community and advertiser feedback made clear that we need to offer more ways to control the content that’s recommended as well as where ads appear. So, we’re introducing a new category: Pools, Hot Tubs, and Beaches. If you have chosen swimwear that is allowed under the “Swim and Beaches” contextual exception to our standard Nudity and Attire policy, you should stream into the Pools, Hot Tubs and Beaches category. P…

As Traster said, they don't want to be labelled as a porn site in spite of the streaming content they have, and so i.e. they must implement a change that gives them some plausible deniability in the face of advertisers.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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I never used Twitch before the pandemic -- watching people play games was never really my thing. But then I discovered the entire second use of Twitch, streaming music. Since March 2020, it's been possible to find someone streaming music at pretty much any time of day. One day I was watching around 2am Pacific time, and the stream ended. I was looking for another one when I saw someone in the music category with 13,0…

So many chumps - I honestly think people subscribing to players is just as chumpy but I get that is just one mans opinion.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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post #48

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> I was fascinated by the fact that she had so many people basically just watching her in a hot tub and giving her money. She wasn't doing anything compelling. Wait until you learn about VTubers.

I just Googled that. I'm equally fascinated.

On one hand, it seems like people that watch trains. I've no idea why people like to watch trains, but I'm sure I have equally strange interests compared to them.

On the other hand, some of these stans are paying a lot of cold hard cash to these streamers, just to get a shout-out, maybe, and that is clearly insane.

I've no idea what to make of the whole situation and perhaps I should just go look at some other corner of the web.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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This is the core of the problem that we're facing on every modern "all the things" platform. How do you create a general content site, without spending money on human review and curation of all uploads, while segregating erotic and non-erotic content, without having your entire site banned/blocked/gated around the world for hosting erotic content? This has affected Amazon, Blogspot, Facebook, Google, Imgur, Patreon,…

Do you think this moderation paradox - of needing curation at scale, but automatic moderation + "user flag" moderation being inadequate - is a universal problem, or do you think it's specific to ad-funded platforms? I wonder if a patron-driven community that sets its own moderation policy wouldn't have this problem, because when a topic gets too large it will inevitably splinter into smaller communities where the pre…

Mm, dunno. I suspect it's a universal problem, given that Patreon also fights with "how erotic is too erotic". But the core of today's practical concerns might simply be that advertising doesn't pay enough to afford content moderation.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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post #73

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I just Googled that. I'm equally fascinated.

On one hand, it seems like people that watch trains. I've no idea why people like to watch trains, but I'm sure I have equally strange interests compared to them. On the other hand, some of these stans are paying a lot of cold hard cash to these streamers, just to get a shout-out, maybe, and that is clearly insane. I've no idea what to make of the whole situation and perhaps I should just go look at some other corner…

As someone who has repeatedly been pulled back to this specific brand of content when bored, my understanding is it takes advantage of a need for companionship. It hacks into that human instinct while accompanied by motifs that are already familiar (knowledge of foreign culture, moé art styles, openness to sending coded signals about sexuality) instead of featuring video feeds of real people that may push away the socially anxious. The value add appears to be: Now you "know" a girl who knows about the exact things you do and does not shy away from making targeted innuendos from the outset (unlike any average person who would be creeped out, going by society's rules for real life interactions), validating the pent-up feelings that the target audience would usually just blow off, and whose level of physical attraction is not predetermined by nature but is instead designed by an artist to surpass nature.

Most importantly, nothing is scripted or predetermined (or it at least feels that way), and they regularly acknowledge that the people making up the audience exist, in real time. "You guys." It's difficult to feel the same empathy when you're just watching a television show.

There are some signals they send to tone down the intimacy of the experience. The model is designed and rigged by artists, who sometimes have their own channels and are frequently welcomed and thanked, to make the experience feel like the product of hard work and creativity instead of stardom and charisma alone. Much of the entertainment value (and the only real reason I continue to care) comes from the interactions between the streamers themselves rather than with their audience, which are highlighted for posterity and endlessly remixed. There have been enough times where five minutes after dropping into an arbitrary stream something interesting would happen as a result of the streamer's behavior or circumstances, and only a few hours later the fanbase would post the highlight. Some of them end up with hundreds of thousands of views after a few weeks.

Additionally, in my mind the thing they did better was to not try to "act" as much, which would make the experience feel fake, much the same as just watching television where nobody is attempting to speak to you directly. It's the supposed sense of "authentic human interaction" packaged in the 2D format which is the major innovation over the static things from decades past like comics, and which was only possible to have with the ease of livestreaming and real-time comment feeds.

For me at least, the most interesting parts are actually when the streamers are "doing nothing" - sitting around talking about things, playing video games together - in just the same way as someone in real life might do with their friends every Friday evening, except the friends are guaranteed to be attractive and interesting to listen to. It is designed to be close enough to the "basically nothing" you'd expect from interacting with actual friends to de-stress (unless you set your friends to that high a standard), or being invited to a party where all you have to do is listen to other, more interesting people's anecdotes and laughter to feel as if you're a part of something.

I'd been to several of those parties and gatherings many times in my adolescence, where I felt something by just surrounding myself with people having a good time and feeling no pressure to be a part of it. I sometimes wished those moments would never have to end and the people that made them up didn't have class to go to at 8 in the morning the next day or other obligations that would prevent them from getting back together in a room any time soon.

This is the commercialization of those after-school hangouts, seven days a week.

At times it feels like the genre has obsoleted large swathes of content if done properly. People who watch television shows with a predetermined outcome no longer have to make up their own idea of attraction when someone playing a 2D character can actually respond in real-time to real (but faceless) people. I'd given up a few things I used to follow in the past which I'd realized were just trying to fill the same void that the streamers did, and the streamers filled the void that much better. No, this isn't the most healthy thing to admit.

But I make it very clear to myself that none of these people will ever know or care about who I am as an individual. The streamers essentially carry the weight of tens of thousands of people they will never know in an attempt to satisfy them all for the company's benefit. They're entertainers. But there are many people for whom that is not the case and the attachment becomes (a higher level of) parasocial. None of us can deny that the temptation is a lucrative one for the agencies that succeed.

Also, there is not an insignificant subset of people outside of YouTube who find the idea of paying money for call-outs to be "cringe", and I completely agree, but nobody on the business side has any incentive to stop them. Many people want to send money thinking all of it will go to their favorite streamer (which is decidedly not the case, given it goes through both the agency and YouTube). Also, the official chat feeds are militantly patrolled to prevent defamatory remarks from showing up on-stream (or even comments about unrelated streamers), so there will always be a subset of opinions that will never be discussed there.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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I wouldn't doubt that a large percentage of the viewers are underaged users who actually do not have any experience with adult material. Twitch is a gaming site. Kids watch youtube videos of people playing games, they get funneled to check out the minecraft/fortnite/etc. category on twitch then they get curious and check out the large streamers on the site. What do you know? There's a streamer who is sitting in a hot…

> underaged users who actually do not have any experience with adult material. A vanishingly small group. Most people aggressively seek that shit out as soon as they hit puberty.

The Sears Catalog of this generation.
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