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64% would prefer to permanently WFH rather than get a $30k-a-year raise

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Re: 64% would prefer to permanently WFH rather than get a $30k-a-year raise

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Post by jonny_eh »

murgindrag wrote: post #9

I can't stand fishbowl jobs. Cubicle farms make me depressed. I don't like being on display when I work. Humans are animals. We stretch. We burp. We fart. We scratch ourselves. We eat. We drink. We dance. We might want to randomly punch something. We nap. We naturally do all sorts of things which are "unprofessional." When we get tired, we need a break to recoup and come back supercharged. None of those interfere wit…

We also socialize and travel. I personally miss going to the office and interacting with coworkers.

Re: 64% would prefer to permanently WFH rather than get a $30k-a-year raise

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Post by jonny_eh »

afandian wrote: post #13
postit wrote: post #4

Am I the only one who wants to work from home and still get the 30k-a-year raise? jokes apart, if remote culture consolidates with different compensation and benefit packages compared with those in the office, we'll likely start to see lawsuits in that matter.

Seriously though, working from home essentially requires permanent rental of a room on your house you might otherwise use for something else, or not need in the first place. And you foot the Internet and heating bill. Like-for-like, surely WFH should demand a higher, not lower, salary. Of course ofice vs home is often not like-for-like and it enables people to live in different locations.

Except by not commuting, you can move somewhere where real estate is cheaper.

Re: 64% would prefer to permanently WFH rather than get a $30k-a-year raise

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

murgindrag wrote: post #9

I can't stand fishbowl jobs. Cubicle farms make me depressed. I don't like being on display when I work. Humans are animals. We stretch. We burp. We fart. We scratch ourselves. We eat. We drink. We dance. We might want to randomly punch something. We nap. We naturally do all sorts of things which are "unprofessional." When we get tired, we need a break to recoup and come back supercharged. None of those interfere wit…

When some cubicle-farm jobs go remote, they go remote with the employer requiring you to run surveillance software (webcam observing you, tracking of continual mouse and keyboard activity) to ensure that you are present at your computer all working hours, except authorized breaks. So, even when liberated from the office those workers don’t get all the freedoms that you might hope for.

Re: 64% would prefer to permanently WFH rather than get a $30k-a-year raise

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Post by luke2m »

murgindrag wrote: post #9

I can't stand fishbowl jobs. Cubicle farms make me depressed. I don't like being on display when I work. Humans are animals. We stretch. We burp. We fart. We scratch ourselves. We eat. We drink. We dance. We might want to randomly punch something. We nap. We naturally do all sorts of things which are "unprofessional." When we get tired, we need a break to recoup and come back supercharged. None of those interfere wit…

We walk around on phone calls.

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Post by carlmr »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #25
murgindrag wrote: post #9

I can't stand fishbowl jobs. Cubicle farms make me depressed. I don't like being on display when I work. Humans are animals. We stretch. We burp. We fart. We scratch ourselves. We eat. We drink. We dance. We might want to randomly punch something. We nap. We naturally do all sorts of things which are "unprofessional." When we get tired, we need a break to recoup and come back supercharged. None of those interfere wit…

When some cubicle-farm jobs go remote, they go remote with the employer requiring you to run surveillance software (webcam observing you, tracking of continual mouse and keyboard activity) to ensure that you are present at your computer all working hours, except authorized breaks. So, even when liberated from the office those workers don’t get all the freedoms that you might hope for.

Luckily this is highly illegal in the developed world.

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Post by fsociety »

tluyben2 wrote: post #20
neverminder wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's harder for the type of management who sit in their glass aquariums and mostly make sure there are butts in seats. It makes that type of management redundant.

I am not sure if that is not a very high % of managers though. Talking with colleagues, my own experiences and reading online, it seems large groups of managers need direct control and get very stressed if they do not have that. It is easier to wield your whip if people are actually there to receive the blows.

Then they will either adapt or be pushed out for managers who don’t need to micromanage and foster trust and responsibility.

Re: 64% would prefer to permanently WFH rather than get a $30k-a-year raise

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Post by carlmr »

murgindrag wrote: post #9

I can't stand fishbowl jobs. Cubicle farms make me depressed. I don't like being on display when I work. Humans are animals. We stretch. We burp. We fart. We scratch ourselves. We eat. We drink. We dance. We might want to randomly punch something. We nap. We naturally do all sorts of things which are "unprofessional." When we get tired, we need a break to recoup and come back supercharged. None of those interfere wit…

>When I was an executive, I'd sometimes hold longer business meetings with people I knew well hiking, walking, on a kayak, or similar. Those were hyper-productive meetings compared to sitting in office chairs across a coffee table. It only worked for meetings which didn't need a whiteboard or computer, but that's a lot of meetings.

Steve jobs was also known for his walking meetings. I walk around during phone calls since I'm working remotely and it has improved my focus 100x.

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