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Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by chevill »

rgoulter wrote: post #203
gary_0 wrote: post #40

Aside from the "I know it when I see it"[0] angle, here are my thoughts. Long, long ago, I dabbled in content hosting, and still sometimes daydream about doing business along those lines. When it comes to the thought of my hypothetical service hosting purely sexual content it's not due to any puritanism that I'd prefer that my platform have rules against it. Sexual content (ie. porn) brings with it regulatory burdens…

Yeah. The post makes much more sense to me in terms of arguing that it doesn't go against regulations / rules of their payment processors, etc. It seems they've had trouble in the past trying to draw lines around sexual activity. It's a safe bet that if hot tub streams got banned, all the involved streamers would still keep toeing the line as far as they can. Drawing a broad line & cordoning it off seems reasonable.…

>Though I wonder if there remains an incentive for pushing boundaries in 'just chatting'.

I don't know about pushing boundaries but there will still certainly be lots of intentionally sexualized content in the just chatting category, it will just be milder than the new category on average.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by cblconfederate »

Traster wrote: post #33
autocorr wrote: post #10

> Community and advertiser feedback made clear that we need to offer more ways to control the content that’s recommended as well as where ads appear. So, we’re introducing a new category: Pools, Hot Tubs, and Beaches. If you have chosen swimwear that is allowed under the “Swim and Beaches” contextual exception to our standard Nudity and Attire policy, you should stream into the Pools, Hot Tubs and Beaches category. P…

They don't want to be a porn site. The problem they have is that the porn content drives away advertisers and non-porn related contant. So they have to steer away from porn, but wherever they draw the line there are going to be people testing the line, and there's an audience for it. So the compromise they've clearly come up with is they don't allow porn, but if you happen to be sexy wearing practically nothing, that…

in old times, TV had late night shows, bordering soft porn, in which advertisements like alcohol and cigarettes seemed popular. It was never without ads (or it wouldn't exist). I wonder how come the online world advertising ecosystem has evolved to be an infantile one

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by cblconfederate »

Manuel_D wrote: post #46

I think there's a significant amount of nuance in this situation. On the one hand, I don't object to people steaming and monetizing suggestive (or even explicit) content. These content creators should be able to produce and monetize this content without stigma. On the other hand, I do think the juxtaposition of this content with the rest of Twitch content is problematic. I think putting this content in the same categ…

Apparently 65% of users of twitch are men. Gaming and porn are interlinked in internet culture so it's not clear why companies should go on crusades against what is reality.

The whole point seems to be about separating 'child safe' content. This cannot be done automatically, they would have to hire moderators to manually curate channels and then block access by age.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by chevill »

viraptor wrote: post #111
bluefirebrand wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I mean, most women streaming on twitch are using their looks and body for viewership. It’s the oldest play in the book This is the real sticking point. If they came down hard against titty streamers they would be destroying a large portion of their own viewer base. Not to mention how bad it would look from a "Twitch is being sexist" viewpoint. Top male streamers would continue to do extremely well, male streamers w…

Also any policy like that would hit women who are into positive body expression, without trying to use it as a popularity tool. I.e. they'd have to figure out how to tell apart those who work on being suggestive for money and that who just enjoy being suggestive in life. Kind of like the repeating issue for https://mobile.twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg who as far as I can tell is strongly in the second category. But that…

Not familiar with her at all but after looking at her youtube channel for a few minutes, what makes you put her in the second category?

Honest question, not judging just curious what sets her apart in your mind? I think there's a chance she has good content to go along with her obvious attempts to use her sexuality to get clicks, but to me it looks like she's being suggestive explicitly for money in addition to whatever else she might do.

And there are lots of people that use their sexuality for money and also have some kind of actual content to go along with it IMO. There's a spectrum of behavior in streaming/youtubing.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by zeeZ »

cblconfederate wrote: post #232
Traster wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't want to be a porn site. The problem they have is that the porn content drives away advertisers and non-porn related contant. So they have to steer away from porn, but wherever they draw the line there are going to be people testing the line, and there's an audience for it. So the compromise they've clearly come up with is they don't allow porn, but if you happen to be sexy wearing practically nothing, that…

in old times, TV had late night shows, bordering soft porn, in which advertisements like alcohol and cigarettes seemed popular. It was never without ads (or it wouldn't exist). I wonder how come the online world advertising ecosystem has evolved to be an infantile one

In Germany it was mostly ads for phone sex hotlines and ringtone subscription scams that ran at night in my youth.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by supergirl »

didibus wrote: post #11

> Sexually suggestive content–and where to draw the line–is an area that is particularly complex to assess, as sexual suggestiveness is a spectrum that involves some degree of personal interpretation of where the line falls This is just in general why I have an issue with prudeness in our society. I have no idea where prudeness comes from, is it innate to some people? Is it a taught trait? But it seems to cause so mu…

I don’t want my children to think it’s normal that girls on twitch are only there to make porn. does that make me prude?

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by supergirl »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #194
robbrown451 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably it comes from the fact that humans are so naturally attracted to things sexual in nature, that without controls the whole world would look like the seediest red light district you can imagine. With everyone competing to be more and more extreme to get attention.

Let's imagine this is true - so what? Would people be unhappy? Would someone die? would people have less issues with their personal lives is sex expression wasn;t at troubles as it is?

would you say the same about violence? let’s allow people to be violent as is natural. sex is tied to violence and competition. look how it is with animals; males fight to death for a chance to mate. that’s how it will be more or less

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by [deleted] »

floatingatoll wrote: post #154
Manuel_D wrote: post #46

I think there's a significant amount of nuance in this situation. On the one hand, I don't object to people steaming and monetizing suggestive (or even explicit) content. These content creators should be able to produce and monetize this content without stigma. On the other hand, I do think the juxtaposition of this content with the rest of Twitch content is problematic. I think putting this content in the same categ…

This is the core of the problem that we're facing on every modern "all the things" platform. How do you create a general content site, without spending money on human review and curation of all uploads, while segregating erotic and non-erotic content, without having your entire site banned/blocked/gated around the world for hosting erotic content? This has affected Amazon, Blogspot, Facebook, Google, Imgur, Patreon,…

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Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by hervature »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #190
thinkingemote wrote: post #85

The main thing is these are not "hot tubs" they are indoors, in a normal room, an apartment, in a kiddies play pool, with kiddies inflatable equipment. The water is, additionally, cold and a few inches deep. No-one in the world does this type of activity privately or in public. It's so obviously soft core pornography and way away from the sensible "appropriate behaviour and clothing rules" that it's absurd. Now there…

"if it's not porn, would you be okay with a 13 yr old (the age limit on twitch) doing it?" That's about the age people discover porn, so the test doesn't work.

They are talking about actually streaming. Would you be comfortable allowing a 13 year old girl in a bikini playing in an indoor inflatable pool that changes bikinis every 50 subs? The content is public, you can watch any stream without logging in.
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