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Microsoft and Apple wage war on gadget right-to-repair laws

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One note: the article misses the connection between this and the current lawsuit between Epic and Apple. These companies are opposing right-to-repair in part because it undermines the ability to maintain control over what software people run on their devices, and where they install software from.

Not all right to repair laws include 'device manufacturer must allow user to repair the software'.

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post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> must be forced to make parts and schematics available to any independent repair shop, just like car makers have to do The only reason this has been possible for car makers until now is because the technology to stop it didn’t exist. But it does now, and car makers are definitely moving in the direction of “lock down”. You already can’t replace wireless key fobs, and entertainment head units are locked down. Repair…

> You already can’t replace wireless key fobs ? https://www.citrusford.com/parts/parts-tips/how-to-program-f... https://northcoastkeyless.com/2020-gmc-sierra-keyless-entry-...

The fobs you need to perform those procedures are not third-party — they still need to be “genuine” parts.

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I want both a repairability index and a recyclability index, with increased taxes on sales of items that are less repairable or recyclable. Those items are more costly to repair or recycle, and thus more wasteful and inefficient.

I think it's better to align financial incentives.

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I really like Thom Holwerda's from OSnews take on the article. Especially the "glorified toaster makers" part. https://www.osnews.com/story/133436/microsoft-and-apple-wage... > What’s good enough for the car industry, is more than good enough for these glorified toaster makers. Cars are basically murder weapons we kind of screwed ourselves into being reliant on, but Apple and Microsoft make complicated toasters that…

Love this take on it. That said, there's a California State Bill SB-605 "Medical Device Right to Repair Act" that's going through the motions at the moment. Medical devices are not "basically murder weapons we kind of screwed ourselves into being reliant on" . I'd like to hear what peoples' take on Medical Devices is?

I refurbish medical devices in California. The customer can either talk to sales or talk to me. Medical devices are a computer-controlled apparatus, and the computer. I can fix the computer without affecting the device's calibration. Devices don't break often, but their controlling computers do.

The oldest devices I serviced run on Windows 3.1 and still work fine. There's a touchscreen mono CRT that runs on some custom build of Windows 3.1 in daily use at that office. I use Windows 98 daily.

Re: Microsoft and Apple wage war on gadget right-to-repair laws

#105

I want both a repairability index and a recyclability index, with increased taxes on sales of items that are less repairable or recyclable. Those items are more costly to repair or recycle, and thus more wasteful and inefficient. I think it's better to align financial incentives.

And what will likely happen is that as with now Recycle will be the choice. It's the less efficient of the 3 Rs; Reduce, Reuse and Recycle. There was actually an order to those but we've tended to skip past the two meaningful actions and jumped straight to recycle which at times does nothing for environment and certainly not for our pockets.

Re: Microsoft and Apple wage war on gadget right-to-repair laws

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, I live in a state (Massachusetts) that has passed two right-to-repair laws via ballot initiative. Both passed over intense opposition from the auto industry; almost all advertising in the lead up to the vote was in opposition. But it passed in both cases because... it's common sense. If you buy a product, it's yours and you should be able to do what you want with it, whether that means modifying the hardware or…

inb4 all the Apple shills who will claim they only ever want a product in a completely sandboxed environment where the device manufacturer holds their hand every step of the way

My personal preference is that I want a product that has the description 'can only run software trusted by Apple', but I also want a product that 'can also run untrusted software', mainly because I can afford having two products that independently fit those descriptions, and I need the utmost security for my phone (which I ensure by trusting Apple). That's my consumer preference, and that's why I buy an iPhone, and I realize it's not for everyone, but I would rather have the option of a phone that fits that description. Imagine the iPhone didn't take off and had 5% marketshare - we wouldn't even be having this conversation since anyone against it would just hear "go buy the other devices that don't have this restriction" - which is still an option nowadays.

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post #23

My main complaint against right-to-repair laws is mostly to the extent that some people push for. I am not against manufacturers being forced to provide things like schematics or parts to third party repair shops. I don't think that companies like Apple should be able to decide who is allowed to or not allowed to access parts to repair their devices. I also don't think that Apple should place DRM on its parts to chec…

Ask for the stars and settle for the moon is a common tactic. We are subsidizing company profits at the expense of environment through forced obsolescence. Ewaste shouldn't exist as a concept for functioning products. Earth's resources are not infinite. Glue can be dissolved. Microscopes enable microsoldering. China has an entire industry devoted to tooling for such rework.

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post #32
post #7

I just replaced my phone battery using an iFixit kit a few minutes ago. It's probably extended the life of my phone by a year.

My iPhone XS Max screen cracked a few weeks ago and I've been debating sending it in for repair. Apple charges $300 friggin dollars to "fix" the display (I think they just send you a new phone). Looking online, displays only cost around $50-$90. So I've considered doing that instead, but if I go down that route, my phone will no longer support the "True Tone" feature. This is because Apple burned the serial number of…

> I think they just send you a new phone

I doubt it, your secure enclave-protected secrets and data will still be there after the repair (unless they move the logic board from the old phone to a new one, which would be very interesting).

Re: Microsoft and Apple wage war on gadget right-to-repair laws

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post #78

Why is Microsoft against this? They don’t really make much that needs repairing. Is Xbox that big of a market for them?

If I were Microsoft, I would want people to replace rather than repair computers. Chances are, the new computer will come with a Windows license.

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post #53
post #23

My main complaint against right-to-repair laws is mostly to the extent that some people push for. I am not against manufacturers being forced to provide things like schematics or parts to third party repair shops. I don't think that companies like Apple should be able to decide who is allowed to or not allowed to access parts to repair their devices. I also don't think that Apple should place DRM on its parts to chec…

Manufacturers are not penalised for their technical choices. Making a thinner system seems like a great innovation but society at large pays for that product being non-repairable. If you want corporations to have free reign on being able to innovate, there has to be some counter-incentive to force them to find innovative solutions around lengthning the life of of the product and its ability to be repaired and recycle…

It seems like a tax like the Gas Guzzler tax on "unconventional" vehicles could be an answer and governments don't say no to taxes.
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