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Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by gabereiser »

ryandrake wrote: post #157
bluefirebrand wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a consistent problem among all social media platforms, imo. My theory is there a couple of key problems that lead to this crummy moderation, but it essentially all stems from the fact these platforms are too huge to moderate effectively. First, because they are so huge, they have limited customer support. It's very hard to get ahold of a human being at any of these companies, because users are not the custome…

> Third, because there are no real repercussions, moderators play favourites. There is no real customer service channel so complaints against bad moderating go largely unheard. When you heard about a channel being unbanned almost immediately when larger channels stay banned and it never seems to be fixed, that's likely a human who has a bias towards one over another. People who have an in with the moderation team can…

I would tend to agree with this except for the issue of DrDisrespect and Twitch. They kicked him off pretty quickly for some in-character rant about politics. I won’t go into it here but he was considered a top-100 on twitch so I think there’s still room for those “elite ranked” streamers to get the hammer.

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #16

The context here is that one of the most prolific twitch streamers recently had her advertising cut with no warning. (They still run ads on her stream, but she doesn’t get any of the proceeds, if I understand it.) Lots of these streamers have an Onlyfans link in their Twitter bio, though, and they make it pretty obvious that you should join “to see the good stuff.” https://twitter.com/amouranth/status/139519251195885…

Ah amazing, I see they are protecting my kids by Checks notes keeping the porn revenue for themselves?

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Post by robto »

floatingatoll wrote: post #154
Manuel_D wrote: post #46

I think there's a significant amount of nuance in this situation. On the one hand, I don't object to people steaming and monetizing suggestive (or even explicit) content. These content creators should be able to produce and monetize this content without stigma. On the other hand, I do think the juxtaposition of this content with the rest of Twitch content is problematic. I think putting this content in the same categ…

This is the core of the problem that we're facing on every modern "all the things" platform. How do you create a general content site, without spending money on human review and curation of all uploads, while segregating erotic and non-erotic content, without having your entire site banned/blocked/gated around the world for hosting erotic content? This has affected Amazon, Blogspot, Facebook, Google, Imgur, Patreon,…

Do you think this moderation paradox - of needing curation at scale, but automatic moderation + "user flag" moderation being inadequate - is a universal problem, or do you think it's specific to ad-funded platforms?

I wonder if a patron-driven community that sets its own moderation policy wouldn't have this problem, because when a topic gets too large it will inevitably splinter into smaller communities where the preferred moderation style of each subset can be catered to.

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

robbrown451 wrote: post #29
didibus wrote: post #11

> Sexually suggestive content–and where to draw the line–is an area that is particularly complex to assess, as sexual suggestiveness is a spectrum that involves some degree of personal interpretation of where the line falls This is just in general why I have an issue with prudeness in our society. I have no idea where prudeness comes from, is it innate to some people? Is it a taught trait? But it seems to cause so mu…

Probably it comes from the fact that humans are so naturally attracted to things sexual in nature, that without controls the whole world would look like the seediest red light district you can imagine. With everyone competing to be more and more extreme to get attention.

Let's imagine this is true - so what? Would people be unhappy? Would someone die? would people have less issues with their personal lives is sex expression wasn;t at troubles as it is?

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Post by ixacto »

Traster wrote: post #33
autocorr wrote: post #10

> Community and advertiser feedback made clear that we need to offer more ways to control the content that’s recommended as well as where ads appear. So, we’re introducing a new category: Pools, Hot Tubs, and Beaches. If you have chosen swimwear that is allowed under the “Swim and Beaches” contextual exception to our standard Nudity and Attire policy, you should stream into the Pools, Hot Tubs and Beaches category. P…

They don't want to be a porn site. The problem they have is that the porn content drives away advertisers and non-porn related contant. So they have to steer away from porn, but wherever they draw the line there are going to be people testing the line, and there's an audience for it. So the compromise they've clearly come up with is they don't allow porn, but if you happen to be sexy wearing practically nothing, that…

They want the simp $ but without being a porn site. So twitch will just evolve into girls-gone-wild light.

This is kinda hilarious though some brand managers must really be squirming when they are tying to sell advert spend for furniture or something on the twitch beach boob cam.

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Post by thewakalix »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #123
meheleventyone wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the sheer amounts of money being flung at streamers of all stripes by their audience directly I doubt the majority of the audience is 14!

That doesn't follow; maybe the oldest 10% of people are 90% of donations.

See: “whales”.

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Post by jasonwatkinspdx »

vorpalhex wrote: post #56
Semaphor wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

every streamer? Hard disagree, I see feet commonly and never never even heard of this.

I've seen multiple streamers, especially women, who are playing games or normal twitch things and end up modifying their behavior because of fear of this rule. A whole bunch of twitch streamers are wearing slippers in case their feet end up on camera for a second. The whole rule started because people were monetizing feet content which obviously leans lewd, but the poor rule targeting has ended up with all kinds of w…

Part of it is less fear of Twitch themselves but how some of the more toxic people in the audience react. Sadly if a woman does something like simply stand up and walk across the room showing their rear in an utterly ordinary way, some folks will not just say nasty stuff, they'll publish the clip on reddit subs like /r/LiveStreamFail and try to drive up a mob behind it. Then said streamer increasingly has this mob of viewers that's a combination of horney enthusiasm or hate watchers, neither of which they wanted in most cases.

Sweet Anita has had some great discussions on this. She has Tourettes, including ticks that violate the ToS, but has successfully negotiated things with twitch to make that ok. So Twitch isn't straight up incapable of nuance here, they're just being inconsistent and incompetent.

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Post by jasonwatkinspdx »

The next looming issue for Twitch is the Slots/Video Poker streamers. Similar to swim suits, I don't think gambling as a whole should be totally against ToS. There are some great poker streamers, and there've been some quite successful charity drives around casino games.

But there's also one big streamer, famous with the CoD audience, that lately has been playing video poker on one of those bitcoin casino sites. He has swings of up to $100k in a single night. His audience slants young and there's typically about 40k people watching him. That... makes me a bit uncomfortable. I'm far from someone that wants a nanny state, but I'm squeamish about the idea of say a 20 year old kid watching this behavior as a role model, trying to emulate it, and losing a non trivial amount of money at a point in their life where that would have a huge lasting impact. This streamer can only do this because he's insanely rich so even $100k is just play money.

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Post by CodeArtisan »

tibbydudeza wrote: post #126

I really don't get it. What is the joy of watching a girl in a bathing costume sitting on a inflatable horse in a kiddy pool showing off her behind every now and again ???. Most of the chat are about as dumb as bricks so you can't be there for the conversation.

Japan has a whole industry of cute girls in bikini or other costumes posing suggestively while acting cute or innocent known as Gravure Idols. I once asked a Japanese friend why when you have porn, he replied something like "It's hard to fantasize about a pornstar being your girlfriend/wife".
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