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“Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

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Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

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post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hang on. If I'm following all this correctly, at that point the current head of staff had only held that role for less than a month. So the big demand here was that control over the domain name was transferred not to the community, or to some non-profit, but to some individual who'd seemingly been manoeuvred into place for the purpose of transferring that control to them. That certainly smells like a shady takeover a…

The previous holder of that job, Christel, had access to the DNS account, why couldn't Tom? Like, yeah, Tom was maneuovered into place to take control of the DNS account, because thats what a head of staff does. Do you think that each new US president shouldn't get the nuclear codes either?

He wasn't just asking for access to the DNS account - which it seems like, in fact, he already had and used to try and lock Andrew Lee and others involved in Freenode out - but for ownership of the domains to be transferred to him personally. Which would mean that in effect he would be the one who decided what Freenode was and who controlled it from then on, and if any other staff or users disagreed they could just pound sand. In particular, he appears to have rejected the idea of any kind of community ownership or control over the domain ownership.

Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

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post #74

Now this throws the ball to thomaw, who is, according to this pdf, “not capable with working with people in a suitable way”. Also, while Andrew claims he supports decentralization, he also says he is “the owner” of freenode, which still smells really bad. It’s possible that Andrew himself also sent out bad signals to other staffs, which led to this drama.

I still want to know what the decentralization plan is

Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

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post #203

As an outsider who hasn't used IRC or Freenode in over a decade, this situation is impenetrable. Neither the posts by the Freenode volunteers nor this post by Andrew paint a coherent narrative I can follow (maybe I'm just old). Best I can gather, the flashpoint that triggered this series of events is a dispute over the control of the freenode domain name and DNS servers?

The best I can piece together so far: * freenode was run by elected volunteers. * Lee stepped in to sponsor/fund the Freenode Live events * Some assets were sold/transferred to Lee in the process of this * Former staff admin leaves, new staff admin is elected * New staff admin attempts to take control of assets they (reasonably) assume they should have control of * Lee (reasonably) perceives this as control of assets…

It always comes down to money or power.

Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably would not be wise to guess or speculate and instead go by what I have actually said. The issue with services was because the previous team pulled our mail server and all its contents. We had to abruptly get everything in place. As for the decentralizing - that’s what I’m into and the way to do it on irc is by ending reliance on a central domain name for the connection. It’s not decided yet but is something I…

As an ex-freenode staffer, this is simply untrue. You took over with zero transition plan, and no engagement with staff - none. You had had no involvement in the running of freenode until this week and had no relationship with any of the team. You marched in, announced that you were saving freenode from the "hostile takeover" of their own consensus-based, transparent, self-organisation, and SURPRISE they decided that…

Why the anonymous account?

Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see that you are spreading your falsehoods here, too. The issue with services was not due to the "previous team", but rather due to the sponsor pulling their box. The "previous team" had no access to them by that point. As you might have guessed, the sponsors had a gentlemen's agreement with previous staff and not with Freenode ltd. Now most of them obviously don't like sponsoring their boxes for your company, so t…

Yup. Abolootley! For Andrew, the spoiled little boy with an empty toybox: You own a brand. That's basically it. And then swing in like Tarzan to save the day from the sunshine and suddenly, all of the organizations that provided *Their* infra to *the cause*, *the spirit*, and *the philosophy* of giving back to the community took back their infra and..... suddenly the little boy realizes that his toybox is empty - Sur…

Personal attacks / name-calling are not welcome on HN, as per the guidelines.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

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For whatever it's worth from an anonymous but inside source, the former staff members believe they are at war with Freenode, are colluding on Libera to attack Freenode with bots and spam, and intentionally damaged Freenode's infrastructure when they left. These people are not being forthright about their actions, but I still have no idea why. Originally I supported the breakaway faction of staffers, but now I see there's a lot more to this story than we have all been told.

Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

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post #72

This is probably a pdf of this blog post: https://freenode.net/news/freenode-is-foss I'm not familiar with the situation, but find it odd, that the author signs off as "Chairman, freenode limited" where he seems to be the owner of the company that owns Private Internet Access (PIA) [0]. This form of selectively under-reporting has a weird smell to it. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26053770

PIA was sold to a Israli company some time back: https://www.hackread.com/private-internet-access-pia-vpn-sol...

PIA was sold to a company that is associated with Lumosity and Hola VPN.

Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

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The Ardour project has used Freenode for more than 16 years as our primary coordinating and realtime support platform. I (the project lead) also used IRC back in the 80s and early 90s. Here's what IRC is to me (I'm not speaking for everyone involved in Ardour): * a protocol * an accessible server * a channel (or two), with a founder and at least one operator If those things are all functioning, then I really don't ca…

I think this right here reflects the reality of many or most of the channels on Freenode. I am one of the few operators of one of the larger channels on Freenode and it cost me otherwise productive work time (with no warning whatsoever) just to have to prevent the inevitable trolls from squatting on related channels and nicknames (for anyone wondering, we were helped with the channels, but not with nicknames, despite having logs to demonstrate these were registered by squatters). Now we are being "encouraged" to put more work into this matter which is, as far as I can work out, just some interpersonal drama and power politics. We have taken a "wait and see what happens" stance, which seems to be what most are doing, not only because it is unclear what is actually going on here, but because I otherwise have a lot of work to do (despite the time I spend on HN, I promise!).

Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

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post #98

hmmm, the crown prince of korea owning freenode is just as believable as the queen of england contributing to the linux kernel.

He's just a pretender to the throne. His claim to an extinct house is barely better than mine.

Maybe it will surprise you to learn that monarchies (and their supporting monarchists) are a weird bunch, and will fight for generations over a throne that hasn't existed for generations. They will even have generations of supporters with no claim to power. It really seems hardwired into our nature.
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