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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

Scarbutt wrote: post #766
JeremyNT wrote: post #550

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have a 2004 Toyota Tacoma that I love, and it would be amazing with a frunk, but you can't really get small pickups that size anymore You're not kidding! I was in the market for a small pickup and checked out the Tacoma and Frontier, which I previously understood to be "small" trucks. They're massive these days, just like the F-150! I guess it's perceived that there's no market for that size any more. A small ele…

You should have look at the Toyota Hilux, not Tacoma.

I don't think those have been sold in the US for over 30 years. I miss mine.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by vageli »

js2 wrote: post #149
outside1234 wrote: post #43

Wow - so if the grid goes down the Truck will power your house? That is awesome! ref: https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/2022/ (see bottom)

I'm not sure it makes sense though. Now you have to choose between transportation and powering your home. As well, the power needs to go out when the truck happens to have a full charge. I think it cost them little to add (because they already have on-board power ports, which does make sense), but from a practical standpoint, I don't know how useful it is.

> Now you have to choose between transportation and powering your home.

It is interesting to me that this is phrased as a negative thing. If you are at the point where you are choosing between transportation and powering your home, at least you _have_ the choice and it is not made for you.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by judge2020 »

vel0city wrote: post #784
leesec wrote: post #623

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Agree in theory but no one has built in a similar sensor suite to Tesla or added a powerful enough computer chip in their cars. This roots back to Tesla treating the whole car like a unified piece of software and having much better programmatic control over it. I only mentioned autopilot because the leading EV does have it as an included feature and so when weighing options people might question why it's not there on…

It's not an included feature on the Teslas, it's a $10k option.

You’re not wrong about ‘full self driving’, but “Autopilot” - which is just lane steering and adaptive cruise - is standard on every car you can get from Tesla’s site (you might still be able to get a model 3 without it by calling sales, but I haven’t heard of that working as of recent).

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by bhauer »

vel0city wrote: post #784
leesec wrote: post #623

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree in theory but no one has built in a similar sensor suite to Tesla or added a powerful enough computer chip in their cars. This roots back to Tesla treating the whole car like a unified piece of software and having much better programmatic control over it. I only mentioned autopilot because the leading EV does have it as an included feature and so when weighing options people might question why it's not there on…

It's not an included feature on the Teslas, it's a $10k option.

Several pieces of the Autopilot software suite are included at no charge. The "FSD Capability" (pre-payment for a future delivery of full self-driving) is the $10K option you are thinking of.

Buyers of the FSD Capability package get some additional beta features such as "Navigate on Autopilot" which will do lane changes on freeways, but is otherwise significantly less than actual full self-driving as it would be understood by a layperson.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by yboris »

zip1234 wrote: post #428
kibwen wrote: post #150

Ironically, the frunk on electric trucks is a game-changer. Complementing the bed with an enclosed, waterproof, secure place to carry things (and no mucking around with insecure bed covers) is a killer feature. No more springing for a crew cab just to carry groceries in the rear seats. In terms of practical carrying capacity this dominates an SUV.

Trucks are more dangerous to pedestrians because of the higher and flatter front--means people end up underneath rather than above if they are struck. I understand why they kept the look the same and why they used that space but in the future would prefer that they made changes to make it safer for everyone and not just the occupants. The high hoods make for poor visibility around the front.

Related: Vehicles and Crashes: Why is this Moral Issue Overlooked? by Douglas Husak

Because of high crash incompatibility, more overall damage and death occurs because of SUVs (and other similar vehicles).

https://www.jstor.org/stable/23562447?seq=1

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by blincolnmercury »

giarc wrote: post #620
JeremyNT wrote: post #550

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have a 2004 Toyota Tacoma that I love, and it would be amazing with a frunk, but you can't really get small pickups that size anymore You're not kidding! I was in the market for a small pickup and checked out the Tacoma and Frontier, which I previously understood to be "small" trucks. They're massive these days, just like the F-150! I guess it's perceived that there's no market for that size any more. A small ele…

The new Ford Ranger is a smaller size, but it's perhaps the worst looking truck available. I'm not sure what Ford was thinking there.

And what was Toyota thinking when they named a truck the "TRD" (Toyota Racing Division):

"Hey, Tom, see you're polishing your TRD today!"

Guess some things get lost in translation.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by rootusrootus »

defaultname wrote: post #11

The aspect I'm most curious about is towing range. I have a 5000lb travel trailer that I tow about 200km away a few times a year. I'm pretty sure I'd be out of luck with a vehicle like this. It has the ability to pull the trailer with ease, but most preliminary estimates are that range would be two digits with that sort of load. In my current vehicle I do stop for gas midway, but it would be an entirely different sit…

It will be interesting to see what the real-world experience is like, but I don't expect any good news. People towing tiny travel trailers behind Model X's get brutal reductions in range.

The problem is that an EV is so inherently efficient to begin with that towing a big hollow brick behind you makes a tremendous difference in how much fuel it takes to pull it. Contrast that with a pickup that is already getting mid-teens fuel economy, the change in efficiency is much less pronounced. And with the easy filling ability of the ICE pickup, it's going to be the go-to choice for a number of years until batteries get significantly more capacity, denser, and cheaper.

A very typical pickup/travel trailer combo will get 10mpg. Maybe a couple more for a diesel. You can find outliers, but I've been towing RVs for a while and the topic comes up for discussion periodically, 10mpg is by far the most common experience. Trying to cram enough capacity into a battery for this kind of terrible efficiency is going to be tough for a while.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by mikeg8 »

duffyjp wrote: post #769
gautamcgoel wrote: post #407

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Can you elaborate? What went wrong?

I could rant for ages, but already got downvoted so I'll keep it short. It was the only car I've ever owned to leave me stranded. It did so at least half a dozen times. The 12V battery (which we replaced) would be drained flat by the janky electronics of the car. It would be 100% fine when you park, and the dead when you're done shopping. Eventually I bought a battery charger to top it off every weekend. We had recal…

While it's unfortunate you had so many issues, I think some of them can be chalked up to the risk of being such an early adopter. EVs in 2013 vs 2021 would seem to be quite different machines.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by m463 »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #278

I get to eat my hat somewhat. I hope it's tasty. Just a few days ago I made the comment that the Cybertruck's killer feature is it's $40K price tag, if and only if that price tag actually happens. I said that Ford could not make a decent EV F-150 at that price point unless they throw their dealerships under the bus. And here we are with a $40K EV F-150. I'm glad I added the caveats though -- the $40K F150 is for comm…

The $40k cybertruck pricetag is good.

It is setting customer expectations and it is competition.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by 13rac1 »

intrepidhero wrote: post #122
seanalltogether wrote: post #7

I'm sure this image is heavily photoshopped, but it looks like they're trying to make a center console that's half touch screen, half physical controls. I wonder what that will look like in reality. https://www.ford.com/is/image/content/dam/vdm_ford/live/en_u...

Is anybody selling conversion kits to replace touch screen controls with physical or is that too hard/niche?

Mazda stopped using touchscreens: https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1121372_why-mazda-is-pur...

> “Doing our research, when a driver would reach towards a touch-screen interface in any vehicle, they would unintentionally apply torque to the steering wheel, and the vehicle would drift out of its lane position,” said Matthew Valbuena, Mazda North America’s lead engineer for HMI and infotainment.

> “And of course with a touchscreen you have to be looking at the screen while you’re touching...so for that reason we were comfortable removing the touch-screen functionality,” he added.

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