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Microsoft and Apple wage war on gadget right-to-repair laws

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One note: the article misses the connection between this and the current lawsuit between Epic and Apple. These companies are opposing right-to-repair in part because it undermines the ability to maintain control over what software people run on their devices, and where they install software from.

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One note: the article misses the connection between this and the current lawsuit between Epic and Apple. These companies are opposing right-to-repair in part because it undermines the ability to maintain control over what software people run on their devices, and where they install software from.

Also, I live in a state (Massachusetts) that has passed two right-to-repair laws via ballot initiative.

Both passed over intense opposition from the auto industry; almost all advertising in the lead up to the vote was in opposition.

But it passed in both cases because... it's common sense. If you buy a product, it's yours and you should be able to do what you want with it, whether that means modifying the hardware or running whatever software you want.

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Reduce reuse recycle is fundamentally against the business model of BigCorpos. Of course they will fight tooth and nail against legislation that impinges on their business model [1]. It goes to show how good Apple's PR department is that people view them as an eco-oriented company (hint: they're literally in the "producing consumer e-waste market"). But I mean people these days also think Microsoft are open-source friendly good guys, sooooo

[1] Besides enabling reduce and reuse, right to repair also goes directly the business interests of these companies, because 3rd party repair shops exist under RTR instead of 100 % of the repair revenue going to their franchises or them directly.

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One note: the article misses the connection between this and the current lawsuit between Epic and Apple. These companies are opposing right-to-repair in part because it undermines the ability to maintain control over what software people run on their devices, and where they install software from.

Also, I live in a state (Massachusetts) that has passed two right-to-repair laws via ballot initiative. Both passed over intense opposition from the auto industry; almost all advertising in the lead up to the vote was in opposition. But it passed in both cases because... it's common sense. If you buy a product, it's yours and you should be able to do what you want with it, whether that means modifying the hardware or…

inb4 all the Apple shills who will claim they only ever want a product in a completely sandboxed environment where the device manufacturer holds their hand every step of the way

Re: Microsoft and Apple wage war on gadget right-to-repair laws

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I really like Thom Holwerda's from OSnews take on the article. Especially the "glorified toaster makers" part.

https://www.osnews.com/story/133436/microsoft-and-apple-wage...

> What’s good enough for the car industry, is more than good enough for these glorified toaster makers. Cars are basically murder weapons we kind of screwed ourselves into being reliant on, but Apple and Microsoft make complicated toasters that you need to really screw up in order to hurt anyone with. Computer and device makers must be forced to make parts and schematics available to any independent repair shop, just like car makers have to do.

> So many perfectly capable devices end up in dangerous, toxic landfills in 3rd world countries simply because Apple, Microsoft, and other toaster makers want to increase their bottom line. It’s disgusting behaviour, especially with how sanctimonious they are about protecting the environment and hugging baby seals.

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I have submitted this yesterday [1]. The submission didn't make the front page. The title of the article is "Microsoft and Apple Wage War on Gadget Right-to-Repair Laws". When the title was editoralized to insert Google, it made to front-page. Can someone explain why the editing of the title?

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27225003

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post #7

I just replaced my phone battery using an iFixit kit a few minutes ago. It's probably extended the life of my phone by a year.

I have a garbage laptop from 2012 that's still enough for basic browsing. Thanks to a replacement battery and reasonably accessible internals it's still working fine. The case is all busted but whatever.

Customers should be able to legally get parts. If the original company is done making them someone else should be allowed.

I highly doubt repaired devices are massively cutting into sale. Most people don't want to deal with the hassle and would rather have something new anyways.

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