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Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by matheusmoreira »

autocorr wrote: post #10

> Community and advertiser feedback made clear that we need to offer more ways to control the content that’s recommended as well as where ads appear. So, we’re introducing a new category: Pools, Hot Tubs, and Beaches. If you have chosen swimwear that is allowed under the “Swim and Beaches” contextual exception to our standard Nudity and Attire policy, you should stream into the Pools, Hot Tubs and Beaches category. P…

The advertisers won't like it. Anything they don't like gets banned because they're the ones with the money.

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Post by jedberg »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #75
jedberg wrote: post #36

I never used Twitch before the pandemic -- watching people play games was never really my thing. But then I discovered the entire second use of Twitch, streaming music. Since March 2020, it's been possible to find someone streaming music at pretty much any time of day. One day I was watching around 2am Pacific time, and the stream ended. I was looking for another one when I saw someone in the music category with 13,0…

Especially on the internet, home of more pornography than any human could ever consume in a million lifetimes. I don't understand what would compel someone to sit and watch and tip someone in a bathing suit attempting to play video games.

The one I saw wasn't even playing games. She is literally just sitting in the hot tub in a bikini. And in the corner it says "new bikini with 50 subs".

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by evandale »

didibus wrote: post #11

> Sexually suggestive content–and where to draw the line–is an area that is particularly complex to assess, as sexual suggestiveness is a spectrum that involves some degree of personal interpretation of where the line falls This is just in general why I have an issue with prudeness in our society. I have no idea where prudeness comes from, is it innate to some people? Is it a taught trait? But it seems to cause so mu…

> I have no idea where prudeness comes from, is it innate to some people?

This Vsauce video is one of my favorites. It's titled "Why Do We Wear Clothes?" and Michael explains why cultures may encourage modesty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4HGfagANiQ

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Post by booleandilemma »

jedberg wrote: post #36

I never used Twitch before the pandemic -- watching people play games was never really my thing. But then I discovered the entire second use of Twitch, streaming music. Since March 2020, it's been possible to find someone streaming music at pretty much any time of day. One day I was watching around 2am Pacific time, and the stream ended. I was looking for another one when I saw someone in the music category with 13,0…

Go on Tiktok and check out how many random girls list their cashapp profile in their bio. Men will just give them money.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/kristatorres/venmo-tiktok-money-fro...

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by thinkingemote »

The main thing is these are not "hot tubs" they are indoors, in a normal room, an apartment, in a kiddies play pool, with kiddies inflatable equipment. The water is, additionally, cold and a few inches deep. No-one in the world does this type of activity privately or in public.

It's so obviously soft core pornography and way away from the sensible "appropriate behaviour and clothing rules" that it's absurd.

Now there is the debate about sexuality and sex work. This is not applicable here. Amazon's Twitch is saying it's not sex work. One sure fire thought experiment is that, if it's not porn, would you be okay with a 13 yr old (the age limit on twitch) doing it?

To give credit to Amazon's Twitch they are dammned whatever they do.

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Post by nickysielicki »

wvenable wrote: post #42
Traster wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't want to be a porn site. The problem they have is that the porn content drives away advertisers and non-porn related contant. So they have to steer away from porn, but wherever they draw the line there are going to be people testing the line, and there's an audience for it. So the compromise they've clearly come up with is they don't allow porn, but if you happen to be sexy wearing practically nothing, that…

Seems like there's an opportunity to just split the site, create a new brand for adult content, and send that content over to that brand.

Not an option, Amazon doesn't want to own a porn company.

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Post by jedimastert »

wvenable wrote: post #42
Traster wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't want to be a porn site. The problem they have is that the porn content drives away advertisers and non-porn related contant. So they have to steer away from porn, but wherever they draw the line there are going to be people testing the line, and there's an audience for it. So the compromise they've clearly come up with is they don't allow porn, but if you happen to be sexy wearing practically nothing, that…

Seems like there's an opportunity to just split the site, create a new brand for adult content, and send that content over to that brand.

You say that like there isn't already a massive amount of adult live streaming sites. They led the way!

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Post by belltaco »

wincy wrote: post #15
autocorr wrote: post #10

> Community and advertiser feedback made clear that we need to offer more ways to control the content that’s recommended as well as where ads appear. So, we’re introducing a new category: Pools, Hot Tubs, and Beaches. If you have chosen swimwear that is allowed under the “Swim and Beaches” contextual exception to our standard Nudity and Attire policy, you should stream into the Pools, Hot Tubs and Beaches category. P…

Last time I was looking through streams I saw a woman in a bikini in a kiddie pool riding on a giant inflatable hot dog. I think her normal stream is painting herself with body paints? It’s hard to avoid and that plus the super coarse language make it seem insane to me that people let their kids watch Twitch streams. I’m sure there’s good content somewhere but it’s just not for me, if I want that stuff I’ll just go t…

You're missing the point of Twitch and also its culture. Twitch is closer to cable TV than anything else, even the terminology is the same, with 'channels'. Except that anyone can create a channel and stream it within the rules. The fact that there's some content you don't like on other channels being does not mean you shouldn't watch the streamers that you like.

Just like there's a wide variety in content thats broadcast on TV channels at different times of the day. There is even a Science and Technology channel with some developers streaming their coding. There are some game developers that only code their game while streaming the IDE.

Here's Stephen Wolfram streaming right now. https://www.twitch.tv/stephen_wolfram

Why should a Wolfram viewer care if there is some risque content on other categories? Even if you're looking around after the stream, you can just scroll past it like you do on Netflix.

I personally mostly watch only the few streamers that I have followed. I rarely come across the streamers mentioned in the article except when there's some Twitch drama that I hear about on Reddit or from friends.

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Post by TchoBeer »

Manuel_D wrote: post #46

I think there's a significant amount of nuance in this situation. On the one hand, I don't object to people steaming and monetizing suggestive (or even explicit) content. These content creators should be able to produce and monetize this content without stigma. On the other hand, I do think the juxtaposition of this content with the rest of Twitch content is problematic. I think putting this content in the same categ…

>Other women on the platform have complained about their audiences pressuring them into producing similar content.

I'm not at all in touch with twitch stuff, so I'm just reading about this now. That's horrible. Would making stricter bans help?

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Post by ad404b8a372f2b9 »

notJim wrote: post #41
sillysaurusx wrote: post #16

The context here is that one of the most prolific twitch streamers recently had her advertising cut with no warning. (They still run ads on her stream, but she doesn’t get any of the proceeds, if I understand it.) Lots of these streamers have an Onlyfans link in their Twitter bio, though, and they make it pretty obvious that you should join “to see the good stuff.” https://twitter.com/amouranth/status/139519251195885…

I'm not sure why it's relevant that they have OnlyFans links, unless Amazon's position is that no one who has an OnlyFans or who makes adult content on other platforms is allowed on Twitch. > “she’s doing the equivalent of holding a finger in front of your face and saying ‘not touching you! Not touching you!’ for a no-touching policy.” In other words, she's in compliance with the policy?

It's relevant because it makes it clear what their intent is: To advertise their porn through twitch, half the audience of which is underage. It's the same reason some casual nudity subreddits banned people with onlyfans from posting, they infiltrate communities with the single purpose of getting customers.
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