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Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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wvenable wrote: post #42
Traster wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't want to be a porn site. The problem they have is that the porn content drives away advertisers and non-porn related contant. So they have to steer away from porn, but wherever they draw the line there are going to be people testing the line, and there's an audience for it. So the compromise they've clearly come up with is they don't allow porn, but if you happen to be sexy wearing practically nothing, that…

Seems like there's an opportunity to just split the site, create a new brand for adult content, and send that content over to that brand.

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Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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wvenable wrote: post #42
Traster wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't want to be a porn site. The problem they have is that the porn content drives away advertisers and non-porn related contant. So they have to steer away from porn, but wherever they draw the line there are going to be people testing the line, and there's an audience for it. So the compromise they've clearly come up with is they don't allow porn, but if you happen to be sexy wearing practically nothing, that…

Seems like there's an opportunity to just split the site, create a new brand for adult content, and send that content over to that brand.

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Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by Ekaros »

belinder wrote: post #51
acidbaseextract wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably the lost ad revenue. No company wants to advertise on those streams. By breaking them out in way where advertisers could opt out of that stream category, suggestive streamers (a huge segment of traffic) would lose money for Twitch.

But isn't that already exactly what they're doing by breaking it into hot tub category and letting advertisers opt out of that category? So the question is if they let advertisers opt out anyway, why this hot tub category instead of an explicit suggestive category.

Payment processors? Not that Amazon don't have opportunity to run their own, but still the whole thing on that side is a mess. So they choose to not try to cross the line...

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by vorpalhex »

nickysielicki wrote: post #43

These streams are closer to pornography than most people realize. There's a reason that these streams get so much attention: 14 year old young men love watching video games, so they go to sites where they can watch video games. If you start serving softcore pornography on the same website, well gee wiz, who could have guessed that it would be pretty lucrative? You don't have to be a prude to have a problem with this.…

If your kid is on the internet, it's on you to manage that. Full stop.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by ZephyrBlu »

Jonanin wrote: post #8
_6pvr wrote: post #2

Twitch continues to pretend hot tub streams aren't intentionally sexually suggestive. What a joke. HN doesn't really do memes, but I made this because it seems relevant: https://imgflip.com/i/5ah3b7

I didn't know there were so many outraged prudes on twitch. Why should twitch have a sexually suggestive content rule in the first place? This rule actually seems reasonable: > Nudity or sexually explicit content (which we define as pornography, sex acts, and sexual services) are not allowed on Twitch. I don't see what the huge issue with showing off your own sexiness is. Sheesh!

I guess you think that Twitch should allow itself to become a cam site then.

The issue is that Twitch is not supposed to be for this type of content.

When you think of Twitch, do you think of hot tub streamers and cam girls? No, you think of things like gaming and IRL.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by bluGill »

mrgreenfur wrote: post #19
Jonanin wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't know there were so many outraged prudes on twitch. Why should twitch have a sexually suggestive content rule in the first place? This rule actually seems reasonable: > Nudity or sexually explicit content (which we define as pornography, sex acts, and sexual services) are not allowed on Twitch. I don't see what the huge issue with showing off your own sexiness is. Sheesh!

Americans are still ashamed of sexuality and think it needs to be locked up. That said, it's clearly not 'just chatting' and probably belongs in a 'sexysexy' category.

It isn't just Americans. Many cultures around the world have some form of it.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by mcherm »

Afforess wrote: post #37
sillysaurusx wrote: post #16

The context here is that one of the most prolific twitch streamers recently had her advertising cut with no warning. (They still run ads on her stream, but she doesn’t get any of the proceeds, if I understand it.) Lots of these streamers have an Onlyfans link in their Twitter bio, though, and they make it pretty obvious that you should join “to see the good stuff.” https://twitter.com/amouranth/status/139519251195885…

> (They still run ads on her stream, but she doesn’t get any of the proceeds, if I understand it.) In what universe is this an acceptable outcome for a TOS violation?

It wasn't a TOS violation until today's announcement... at the time her revenue stream was cut off her content was in compliance with the letter (if not the spirit) of twitch's published policy.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

poyu wrote: post #48
jedberg wrote: post #36

I never used Twitch before the pandemic -- watching people play games was never really my thing. But then I discovered the entire second use of Twitch, streaming music. Since March 2020, it's been possible to find someone streaming music at pretty much any time of day. One day I was watching around 2am Pacific time, and the stream ended. I was looking for another one when I saw someone in the music category with 13,0…

> I was fascinated by the fact that she had so many people basically just watching her in a hot tub and giving her money. She wasn't doing anything compelling. Wait until you learn about VTubers.

I mean don't they do the same thing as most people on twitch (video games) just with a fake avatar? Honestly I still remember when face cam was rare and you had no idea what most streamers looked like.

Re: Let’s Talk About Hot Tub Streams

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Post by smbv »

> Second, while we have guidelines about sexually suggestive content, being found to be sexy by others is not against our rules, and Twitch will not take enforcement action against women, or anyone on our service, for their perceived attractiveness.

I can't believe that this has to be spelled out.

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