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Ask HN: Those who have taken extended time off, any advice?

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Re: Ask HN: Those who have taken extended time off, any advice?

#31
I have done this 3 times previously (~1.5 years) and am 7 months into my current stint. It can be very monotonous and requires a great deal of self-discipline. I am fortunate that my spouse earns enough for our needs.

-- My Story --

For my first two times, I had my next role lined up but took 2-3 months before starting. I spent this time travelling and learning/researching.

For my third time, I took a year long sabbatical offered by my employer. I pursued my own research and spent a lot of time with my child.

Right now, I am 7 months into a 2? year stint to pursue my own research and augment my child's learning.

-- Some Advice --

0. Honestly ask yourself if this is for you. If you have issues with self-actualizing, budgeting, socializing, etc, then maybe this isn't the right time in your life for this.

1. Try to be clear about why you want to do this. The time goes by quickly and it can be helpful to periodically reorient towards what is meaningful.

2. Don't expect too much from yourself. The time goes by quickly and you will make yourself miserable if you have some perfect dream of what this time should look like.

3. Be prepared for boredom and loneliness. Your friends are likely still working and there is going to be a huge disparity between your free time versus theirs.

Re: Ask HN: Those who have taken extended time off, any advice?

#32
I've been privileged enough to take several extended times off between things and they've always been very important and meaningful for me. I wrote about one period like this when I switched from a technology to a psychotherapy career: http://glench.com/WhyIQuitTechAndBecameATherapist/

I think having the time and space to decompress, heal, and explore is really important and our culture doesn't really appreciate that fully. Whenever I told people I was taking time off they'd always say "oh, are you going to travel? what are you going to do?" and I always had to tell them — no, I didn't have a plan but I knew it was what I needed.

In terms of advice I'd say you should expect a period of at least a few weeks of decompression — laying around, watching TV, socializing with friends, not doing much of anything. This is something that they talk about in the homeschooling/unschooling communities after a child leaves school — it seems to take a bit of doing "nothing" to shake off some of the conditioning of schooling, and I've found the same to be true for jobs and careers and other transitions.

After that initial decompression, I'd say that many people struggle structuring their time when not in a setting that structures their time for them. This makes a lot of sense since most people have almost never had unstructured time. So I'd start trying to find ways to structure your time.

Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: Those who have taken extended time off, any advice?

#33
I am approaching one year off right now, and will probably take all of 2021 off. I really love it, but I'm also very introverted. I am working on a dream project, basically before I die I want to build something cool, that's important to me.

I think the most important thing is keep an eye on your runway, and if/when you need to get back into the work force, make sure you're still on top of whatever it is you do. For me, building this project has enabled me to stay in touch with tech trends in my field.

We are getting our health insurance through the US marketplace. If you are also American, the recent covid relief bill dropped the prices of plans by a good deal. Our premium is now 30% cheaper.

Re: Ask HN: Those who have taken extended time off, any advice?

#34
post #27

- "Try to take 3 months off maximum" - "structure your time off" - "Have goals and schedules" - "Arrange ahead of time for a role to return to" You are getting a very American perspective in this thread so far (possibly due to the time of day). I will counterbalance it. Advice: You're overthinking it already. If you feel like a long break in between roles, take one. Book a one way ticket to a place you've always want…

If he's American he should take into account that we have no safety net, so he has to be careful how he does this.

Ah yes the standard vacationed too long safety net.

There's unemployment and welfare for those who need it, not SWEs that don't want to work.

Don't work safety nets into your plans, they are for people in need, you are taking away finite resources from people who need them if you use social programs when you are able to work.

Re: Ask HN: Those who have taken extended time off, any advice?

#35
I took a year off after my first job. I got bored after six month and tried to start a company with friends. That did not go well.

Make sure your finances are in order and that you have enough money to go for significantly longer than you intent to (in case of a bad job market, difficulty finding a job, unexpected emergency, etc.). I had two years worth of living expenses covered and had a plan to go for up to five years if needed at reduced spending. Don't forget account for health insurance in your budget since you'll need to either buy your own or pay the full COBRA amount.

Re: Ask HN: Those who have taken extended time off, any advice?

#36

- "Try to take 3 months off maximum" - "structure your time off" - "Have goals and schedules" - "Arrange ahead of time for a role to return to" You are getting a very American perspective in this thread so far (possibly due to the time of day). I will counterbalance it. Advice: You're overthinking it already. If you feel like a long break in between roles, take one. Book a one way ticket to a place you've always want…

This right here. Seriously. Take the time off you need. If you need less its easy to go back to work. If you need more, its great that you took time off.

And remember, time off means time off. Dare to do unproductive stuff. Everything don't have to further your career, or even your life.

Re: Ask HN: Those who have taken extended time off, any advice?

#37

- "Try to take 3 months off maximum" - "structure your time off" - "Have goals and schedules" - "Arrange ahead of time for a role to return to" You are getting a very American perspective in this thread so far (possibly due to the time of day). I will counterbalance it. Advice: You're overthinking it already. If you feel like a long break in between roles, take one. Book a one way ticket to a place you've always want…

I second this advice, having done it. I flew one-way from Seattle to Dublin in 2010 with no plan beyond the first week. 25ish cities and 4.5 months later, I flew back. You'll figure it out as you go.

But, a warning from experience: when you fly one-way to another country where you'll go through immigration, always pre-book travel OUT of that country as well, and have printed (on paper!) proof to show border control. Fortunately this doesn't apply between most European countries due to the Shengen area. Immigration is not the part of the trip where you want to wing it. Always make sure you understand the visa and border crossing rules in advance.

Re: Ask HN: Those who have taken extended time off, any advice?

#38

- "Try to take 3 months off maximum" - "structure your time off" - "Have goals and schedules" - "Arrange ahead of time for a role to return to" You are getting a very American perspective in this thread so far (possibly due to the time of day). I will counterbalance it. Advice: You're overthinking it already. If you feel like a long break in between roles, take one. Book a one way ticket to a place you've always want…

Yeah...this advice isn't really helpful for people who can't just take off for months (parents, people taking care of sick family members, etc.).

I think it's less about getting away physically, and more about getting away psychologically. Traveling is one way to do that, but there are also many ways to do that without skipping town.

Re: Ask HN: Those who have taken extended time off, any advice?

#39
post #38

- "Try to take 3 months off maximum" - "structure your time off" - "Have goals and schedules" - "Arrange ahead of time for a role to return to" You are getting a very American perspective in this thread so far (possibly due to the time of day). I will counterbalance it. Advice: You're overthinking it already. If you feel like a long break in between roles, take one. Book a one way ticket to a place you've always want…

Yeah...this advice isn't really helpful for people who can't just take off for months (parents, people taking care of sick family members, etc.). I think it's less about getting away physically, and more about getting away psychologically. Traveling is one way to do that, but there are also many ways to do that without skipping town.

No, getting away physically definitely has an impact that can’t be achieved without physically leaving.

Re: Ask HN: Those who have taken extended time off, any advice?

#40
post #27

- "Try to take 3 months off maximum" - "structure your time off" - "Have goals and schedules" - "Arrange ahead of time for a role to return to" You are getting a very American perspective in this thread so far (possibly due to the time of day). I will counterbalance it. Advice: You're overthinking it already. If you feel like a long break in between roles, take one. Book a one way ticket to a place you've always want…

If he's American he should take into account that we have no safety net, so he has to be careful how he does this.

It depends what you mean by safety net. Certainly most folks on HN have the safety net of being able to return to work fairly easily whenever they might choose to, including finding remote work.

If you mean "individual healthcare in the US is expensive", I absolutely agree. Assuming you are otherwise healthy, catastrophic health insurance might be worth looking into (I have never tried it myself). Another option would be to travel internationally, because travel insurance (or even the cost of private care) in most other countries is going to be much cheaper than a domestic health plan.

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