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“Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

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Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

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Post by Qworg »

duckfang wrote: post #53
rasengan wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That information is confidential in nature. That said tomaw has seen it and has handed freenode back over if that helps to understand what it’s content may have. I really apologize for the inconvenience.

Oof. Confidentiality, NDA's, and other business tools like it are at complete odds with open source, free software, transparency, and honesty. It's comments like this that cement the idea of getting off of Freenode to Libera.chat is the best thing we could do.

It is a double edged sword - he's also bound (and may not have been the initiator).

Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

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Post by Macha »

SquibblesRedux wrote: post #44
rjbwork wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a PDF. Firefox just displays it in the browser with no download prompt.

I did some troubleshooting to see why the original link did not behave as expected. The original link: https://github.com/freenode/web-7.0/raw/main/static/files/on-freenode.pdf redirects to here: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/freenode/web-7.0/main/static/files/on-freenode.pdf and this command: curl -v https://raw.githubusercontent.com/freenode/web-7.0/main/static/files/on-freenode.pdf 2>&1 | less reveals: content…

If you want something to be downloaded, you need to declare

Content-Disposition: attachment

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Co...>

Otherwise, the browser is perfectly ok to attempt to render it if it understands how to

Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

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Post by IncRnd »

From Freenode's own website in 2017: "Following discussion and deliberation we have decided to formally (and legally) ally ourselves with PIA. Freenode will continue to operate as a not-for-profit entity under the same management, with the same principles, but PIA's involvement going forwards will provide us with opportunities and resources that we could previously only dream of. PIA will provide an operating budget, mentorship and support that will allow freenode to implement some of the projects and ideas that have previously been on the backburner due to constraints in terms of volunteer time and resources." [1]

[1] https://freenode.net/news/pia-fn

Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

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Post by lonjil »

ryanmentor wrote: post #37

This just muddies the waters further. Let's get concrete: What assets does Freenode have, and who legally owns them?

The servers are owned by various sponsors. The domain name was apparently owned by Freenode Ltd? Other than that there isn't really anything to own.

Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

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Post by admax88q »

logical_person wrote: post #38
mynameisvlad wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Christel was the head of staff and created a limited corporation in the UK to manage freenode’s name and trademarks. What’s unclear is how much “freenode limited” owns in terms of the network itself.

the formation of Christel's corporation did effectively make her* the owner. any court would see a service she is involved in operating by his company's trademark, as belonging to that company. sad.

Her

Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

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Post by Macha »

blibble wrote: post #54
rasengan wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That information is confidential in nature. That said tomaw has seen it and has handed freenode back over if that helps to understand what it’s content may have. I really apologize for the inconvenience.

so you're willing to disclose it? I'm sure the other side would also be open to it if both sides are happy there should be no problem whatsoever this would completely settle the debate

The other side might be christel, not the libera.chat ops.

Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

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Post by logical_person »

duckfang wrote: post #53
rasengan wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That information is confidential in nature. That said tomaw has seen it and has handed freenode back over if that helps to understand what it’s content may have. I really apologize for the inconvenience.

Oof. Confidentiality, NDA's, and other business tools like it are at complete odds with open source, free software, transparency, and honesty. It's comments like this that cement the idea of getting off of Freenode to Libera.chat is the best thing we could do.

To say business tools and confidentiality are at odds with open source is comical at best. Some of us work on FOSS as a career. We still have to sign NDAs with customers, we still upstream patches to core components.

Throwing your toys out of the ring because business is business is why open source has a funding problem.

Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]

#69

Post by ilaksh »

AlexandrB wrote: post #6

As an outsider who hasn't used IRC or Freenode in over a decade, this situation is impenetrable. Neither the posts by the Freenode volunteers nor this post by Andrew paint a coherent narrative I can follow (maybe I'm just old). Best I can gather, the flashpoint that triggered this series of events is a dispute over the control of the freenode domain name and DNS servers?

The posts by the volunteers were quite coherent. This one by Lee is not.
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